A Missing Link in the 14th Century!!!

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Vince Hawthorn Posts: 12758 Joined: 19th Apr 2010 Location: UK	quotePosted at 16:22 on 8th August 2010 Hi to all our geneaologists out there, can anyone fill in a gap for us? My daughter is having a spot of bother tracking the parents of Philippa Burnell (nee de la Pole) married to Hugh Burnell,2nd Lord Burnell(died 27th November 1420).There seems to be conflicting info according to where one tries to look. Philippa and Hugh had at least one son,Edward,who died 23rd September 1415 at Harfleur. Many thanks for any rays of sunshine cast in one small part of a larger task. Vince Hawthorn. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Paul Hilton Posts: 2605 Joined: 21st Nov 2004 Location: UK	quotePosted at 17:18 on 8th August 2010 FWIW, I would have said Philippa/Phillipe parents were Michael de la Pole, 2nd Earl of Suffolk and Katherine de Stafford. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Vince Hawthorn Posts: 12758 Joined: 19th Apr 2010 Location: UK	quotePosted at 18:06 on 8th August 2010 Paul, thanks for the quick reply. My daughter has found some references saying they were her parents but Edward, Philippa and Hugh's son married as his second wife an Elizabeth de la Pole, Michael de la Pole and Katherine de Stafford's daughter thus making her Edward's aunt. I know marriage was kept in the family but could this too close? Thank you again Vince. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Paul Hilton Posts: 2605 Joined: 21st Nov 2004 Location: UK	quotePosted at 18:22 on 8th August 2010 It might not be to close; depends on what Canon Law said back then which has altered many. many times over the years and centuries. I have come across some quite peculiar marriages in the past that would raise eyebrows today. It's only in fairly modern times---20th Century, a woman became allowed to marry her deceased husband's brother. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Vince Hawthorn Posts: 12758 Joined: 19th Apr 2010 Location: UK	quotePosted at 20:10 on 8th August 2010 Thanks for all your help, it's very interesting, given my daughter lots to think about and investigate further. It's one part of a long chain she is researching, already found links to Kings and Queens of England and with this line her head will get even bigger then it's already got ( NB all this goes through her mum's parental line, I know my place!!!! ) Many thanks My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Paul Hilton Posts: 2605 Joined: 21st Nov 2004 Location: UK	quotePosted at 20:29 on 8th August 2010 Phllippe's parents as offered above comes from The Complete Peerage; Vol XII, p. 441. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Paul Hilton Posts: 2605 Joined: 21st Nov 2004 Location: UK	quotePosted at 00:40 on 9th August 2010 And here's the church in Wingfield Suffolk Philippe's parents are buried inside. Picture by Peggy Cannell My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Paul Hilton Posts: 2605 Joined: 21st Nov 2004 Location: UK	quotePosted at 01:18 on 9th August 2010 Interesting family, and has your daughter found the De La Pole family connections to Ewelme in Oxfordshire? Picture by Paul Hilton My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Ruth Gregory Posts: 8072 Joined: 25th Jul 2007 Location: USA	quotePosted at 01:35 on 9th August 2010 Amazing!! Hi Paul: Hope you are well. Your are the primo geneaologist among us. Hi Vince: I don't think we've met yet. I looked at your intro thread and saw the Cornish stuff. That's great! We had a lovely Cornish gentleman here two years ago and at the time, I got a little puppy who I named after him - Denzil. Cornwall is a very fascinating place that I didn't know too much about before I joined POE, apart from Lands End and the TV series from the 70s Poldark. My husband and I were priveleged to visit Bude last summer - fabulous! So since I've never welcomed you, consider this your welcome and good luck with the geneaology. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Paul Hilton Posts: 2605 Joined: 21st Nov 2004 Location: UK	quotePosted at 01:53 on 9th August 2010 Hi Ruth and hope you are well too. i think you'd enjoy reading about the rise and fall of the de la Pole family over 200 years. When Henry VIII came to the throne, he was jealous of them and their close royal family breeding which he didn't take lightly. But to try and answer Vince's question about aunties------Sir Hugh Burnell had 3 wives; Philippe, then Joyce de Botetourt, and then Joan Devereux---she was from the powerful Devere ( de la Vere) family in Northamptonshire, but I digress. Hugh had 1 son Edward as Vince pointed out. He married twice; first to Alienore Strange and secondly to Elizabeth de la Pole; Philippe's sister. So, if indeed Edward was from Sir Hugh's first marriage, he would have married his aunt when he married a 2nd time to Elizabeth de la Pole. You can trace the de la Pole family back to the 1200's and the Prince of Powys. Edited by: Paul Hilton at:9th August 2010 02:03 My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions