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Dave Thatcher
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quotePosted at 21:26 on 14th August 2010
On 28th February 2010 00:21, TheHermit wrote:

 And what do I see blazoned on an English rugby shirt? A Tudor rose? Oh spare me, this is more to do with the Welsh.

 

 


 Three Lions= French, St George, believed to be of Turkish origin.................

The true Emblem of the English [Englisc] is the White Dragon.

White Dragon - Anglo-Saxon

The Angles, Saxons and Jutes were a very closely related group of Germanic tribes who lived adjacent to each other on the Jutland peninsular (modern Denmark) and north west Germany. Their languages, cultures and beliefs were virtually inseparable and they shared both common forefathers and a tribal and clan heritage. Intermarriage between these closely related tribes was not unusual (it was common) nor was warfare. These tribes would come together to invade the former Roman Province of Britain and carve out a homeland. They would name this homeland after the confederate tribal identity name they gave themselves, ‘Anglecynn’ (English people/folk/kin) the land came to be called England, land of the English/English-land. They would develop a unique English civilisation, and in the centuries to come their descendants would change the face of world.
These our forefathers, also shared similar relationships with the Danes (who also lived adjacent to them on the Jutland peninsular). So our forefathers came from a small area of North West Europe. The Britons were still calling the English Germans’ in the 9th century.. Today many of our neighbours have taken to calling us this again!

The tribes of the Jutland Peninsular and Baltic Scandinavia who lived nearest the Ocean were known collectively as the 'Ingaevones' (This included the Angles, Jutes and Saxons) they were descended from Ing, who was one of the three sons of Mannus. Mannus was said to be the son of their earth-born god called Tuisto, who had sprung up from the Earth.

The Angles (who called themselves Engle) came from the area of Angel/Angeln (on the Baltic coast) of todays Schleswig-Holstein area of Germany/Denmark (Jutland Peninsular) The Angles would found Northumbria, Mercia and most of East Anglia. The Angles were the largest of the three tribes, and their name would eventually be adopted by the other tribes of the new homeland. Though at the same time, all three tribes/peoples held on to their own tribal names and loyalties when dealing in their own interests
The Saxons took their name from their favoured knife called the 'seax'. A knife that came in various lengths, used for everyday tasks such as hunting and of course war. The Saxons warriors were noted for the use of their ‘broke back’ type of seax of which there were one and two handed types. The English were still wearing and using the seax in the early middle ages. The Saxons would found most of southern England.
The Jutes came from the Northern part of the Jutland peninsular, North of the Angles and Saxons. They would found modern Kent, Hampshire and settle the Isle of Wight. Jutes may have once been called Geats.



Edited by: Dave Thatcher at:21st August 2010 09:38
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quotePosted at 14:31 on 24th August 2010
Then came the Normans (Vikings and mixed North Europeans who interbred in Northern France (Normandy/Britainy). They, lead by William the Conqueror invaded England at Hastings in 1066. They were wealthy educated Norman Barons and were given land in England, by William for the part they played in raising armies for the invasion. The rest, as they say, is history!Wink
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quotePosted at 14:38 on 24th August 2010
We are just mongrels thenSurprised! lol
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quotePosted at 14:54 on 24th August 2010
The whole world is full of mongrels, however there are good mongrels and bad mongrels, if you are going to breed, the bad mongrels should be discouraged, lolWink
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Dave Thatcher
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quotePosted at 15:32 on 24th August 2010
Well obviously the Normans came, there was no wholesale immigration into what is now England. In proportion to the Anglo saxon population,it was a very small minority who came here and were given stolen land via the normal rules of warfare. Also the Normans were from the same bloodstock of the Anglo-Saxons, they had only been in The area of France known as Normandy for about 150 years, so the blood line would not have been diluted by any significant extent, The name Normandy=land of the Northmen ie' Vikings, come Angles/saxons/jutes/norwegians. Today we are seeing the results of Norman Conquest.....over representation of land ownership and mostly the class system which still pervades to this day.

Edited by: Dave Thatcher at:24th August 2010 16:11
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