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quotePosted at 21:59 on 30th June 2010
I only found the Mira Dorcas Isham information on Family search which was all member submissions so I treated it with a great deal of suspicion
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quotePosted at 22:30 on 30th June 2010

Indeed Cathy and I have found conflicting information here that would need further research to get some sort of confirmation which is correct. The clues are there to try to determine which are the facts and which are red herrings. I was going to try to find out why Bart was involved in these court cases here which required his to-ing and fro-ing to deal with. I have a hunch it might be civil cases dealing with debts and counter-claims which seem to be on-going. Perhaps his tobacco sent to England hadn't been paid for, for example, or other business interests in London?

Is it just a co-incidence his home in Fleet St is near many of London's Courts he attended as either plantiff or defendant? I think he was well off before going to Virginia and makes me wonder where his wealth came from and I think his wife was fairly well to do too.

And looking at thier marriage again----is that 1624 exactly 4 years out and should read 3 July 1628 where they got married under licence ( rather than by Banns) at St Dunstans, Stepney. Mr Hoskins a gentleman of St Mary, London ( Marylebone of today?) and Dorcas Foster, a widow of London.   I think she and her family may well be more interesting than what initially appears to be.

I think she may well be connected to the Isham Baronets of Northampton as listed here   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isham_Baronets 

 And was her first husband connected to the Forster Baronets of Northumberland ? hence the Forster/Foster variations.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forster_Baronets



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quotePosted at 01:27 on 1st July 2010

Here's Bamburgh Castle as mentioned as the one-time seat of the Forster Baronets, created  for them by King James I, son of Mary Queen of Scots.



 



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quotePosted at 09:42 on 1st July 2010

Cheri---the marriage licence and any other related paperwork---such as a Marriage Bond that may well have been required----from the St Dunstan's marriage I believe may be held at Lambeth Palace; London home of the Arch Bishop of Canterbury, but these records may not have been indexed as yet. 

The Licence was most likely granted by the London Faculty Office; it's modern day offices and information here  http://www.facultyoffice.org.uk/Page2.html

The recipient of any Marriage Bond monies would have been the Bishop of London should it have come to light at a later date, that the marriage was in some respect illegal and the church had been misled into performing it.



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quotePosted at 14:43 on 1st July 2010

Hi Paul,

Continued thanks for all the info.  You are really helping us sort through some very confusing information and move forward in our search.  Thanks to all of you who have contributed.  It is the Foster line that we are researching. (My mothers maiden name)  The gentleman that I'm working with is Terry Foster of Kansas City.  If possible, he would like to talk to you.  Not to do more research for us, just to get ideas on where to look etc.  If this is something you are willing to do, his e-mail is terryjayfoster@gmail.com .  If not, that's okay too.

If any of you are interested in helping others in situations like this, there is a website called "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness".  Basically, you volunteer to give a couple of hours per month to look for records in the city you live in .  Prior to moving to Sacramento, I was a volunteer in Amador County, Cal. (Gold Rush area) The one situation that lives in my mind is the guy from Barnby-In-The-Willows (near Lincoln) whose family had been in Sutter Creek, Cal.  during the gold rush.  He had been told that several members of the family were buried in Sutter Creek.  I went to the grave yard for him and discovered an entire section that was dedicated to his family.  I took many pictures and sent them to him.  It was something that he was unable to do and it took a little over an hour out of my life.  Well worth the time spent and I had the opportunity to meet him and his wife during my time over there.  If you have some spare time, it's a rewarding thing to do.

Thanks again............Cheri

 

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quotePosted at 16:25 on 1st July 2010

A long email has been sent to Terry and asked him to forward to you Cheri.

I think you will now see the Hunsden/Foster connection; various  connections professionally with Royalty.  I think Miras Dorcas married a Robert Forster/Foster and she is connected to the Isham Baronets, but the couple normally shown as her parents---as showning in my email to Terry---I think are actually her Grandparents for the ages are too far apart, and her real parents have been thus skipped.



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quotePosted at 15:07 on 2nd July 2010

Thank you for writing to Terry.  Although I haven't seen it yet, I really appreciate all your efforts. 

This is a side of the family that until 1 month ago, my brother and I only had information back to 1886. (There's a reason for that but it would involve a very long explanation)  Anyway, thanks to you and Terry, we now have more info. than we ever dreamed of.  You solved the Stepney mystery for us and pointed us in the right direction on this side of the pond.  Yes, there is a connections with the Fosters (Forsters) of Bamburgh, but it's not verified yet and it's exciting to hear about the Ishams.

You're probably tired of hearing "thank you" so I won't say it again.  Just know how much we appreciate you and your willingness to help.

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quotePosted at 17:43 on 2nd July 2010
You're welcome Cheri and looking back at Dorcas Isham's line, her gt gt grandma Elen Vere aka de Vere, is interesting as the de Vere/ Vere family name first appears in England with Alberic ( Aubrey) de Vere of Normandy and William the Conquorer was his brother in law and came over with him for the Battle of Hastings.

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