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Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:00 on 10th February 2009 Thank you Jason. You make an excellent point too about children and teenagers. I agree that there is some hint of rebellion there, but more importantly, even insidiously, there is a failure on the part of many, not all, parents (I am NOT speaking about the fine parents here on POE) to provide their children with the values and morals and role models that they themselves should be. How many parents have too little time for their children and send them off to be baby sat by the TV? I am not speaking of over worked parents who genuinely don't have the time (that's another problem all together), rather, I am speaking of people who just don't have a clue about how to parent their children. Even worse, they don't want to. Is it any wonder that children are making idols out of the other major influence in their lives...sitcom celebrities? |
Jason T Posts: 7421 Joined: 14th Apr 2004 Location: UK | quotePosted at 16:03 on 10th February 2009 The celebrity is just another human, famous, sometimes on purpose, sometimes by accident or by their skill at a sport, but underneath they are still..just humans, still susceptible to the same influences (maybe even more so then non famous!) still have weaknesses, still make mistakes, and still have bad judgement, i mean just because you can swim, why does that make you able to make great lifestyle descisions? Some of these people have been thrown into these positions, given huge amounts of cash, told they are the best, thats going to play games with your mind, and descision making too! None of us here know what celebrities feel like, in fact none of us really know how each other feel, so its virtually impossible to understand why people do certain things, good or bad, we shouldn't be to quick to judge. And when we do, we should be careful how harshly we judge for the crime committed. |
Krissy Posts: 15430 Joined: 8th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:08 on 10th February 2009 True, true Jason!! That put in perspective for me. Diana you have a great point too! You see so many little girls wanting to be just like Hannah Montanna and not like their own mother. I remember growing up not idolizing TV celebrities but actually members of my family. Which goes to show how different things are today. |
Jason T Posts: 7421 Joined: 14th Apr 2004 Location: UK | quotePosted at 16:11 on 10th February 2009 True Diana, but children will, (even if they have a pop star role model,) have their parents as role models, and your right, a LOT of parents do not have the first clue about how to raise children, or even care, so the child has no direction! When he/she throws the spoon from the high chair it doesn't come back! or it gets thrown at them, or they get swore at! thats the 1st role model any of them has, as they get older they know they can influence their enviroment, but they have no barriers from their youngest years to prevent them coming off the tracks!! so the role models can be bad people. If a child has been raised properly i'm sure underneath they know what these celebs do is sometimes wrong,( and hopefully realise everyone makes mistakes, and not to copy!) raised wrong, they maybe don't care, because their parents didn't. I know its not true of everyone, there is always exceptions. |
Jason T Posts: 7421 Joined: 14th Apr 2004 Location: UK | quotePosted at 16:17 on 10th February 2009 Kids will always want to be like famous people, like i said its people who are doing some thing special will grab their attention. Its kind of like survival of the fittest!! they wanna be like the most dominant influential people they've seen!! as a kid a pop star, or sports person is that model!! as we get older a politician can be, but we know the path to take to get it then rarther than just idolising, we can reach out for it if we want! but when it comes down to it, kids with a good upbringing, will treat their parents as role models even if they don't admit it!! its whats kept them afloat and out of the shark infested waters!! |
Krissy Posts: 15430 Joined: 8th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:20 on 10th February 2009 I can't argue with that! |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:23 on 10th February 2009 On 10th February 2009 15:52, Krissy wrote:
Let me illustrate by way of example: I know a couple, who agreed before their children were born, that they would do what ever it took to make sure that one of them was always home for the children. Despite various hardships, both financial and otherwise over the years, they have stuck to that plan. When he lost his job and was on unemployment for a year, they moved to a smaller place, gave up one of their cars, and cut out virtually all extra-curricular activities and luxuries, just so that they could keep to their plan. They both felt that it was vital that one of them always be home for their two children. In addition to this, since the birth of their first child, they have never owned a TV. Instead, they have "family nights" and play games. As a family they spent time learning a second language together and now they all four speak and converse in fluent french. They let each child pick a musical instrument that they were interested in and as a family they have each learned to play their instrument of choice and now part of their family nights consist of entertaining them selves and friends with music. To make a long story short, these kids choose to be home and invite their friends to come to their home and participate in these fun evenings. The funny part is, the other kids like it too, because many of them are getting a sense of family togetherness that they are missing at their own homes. I could go on and on; but my point is that these parents took the time and made the sacrifices to help their children develop a healthy sense of self. Perhaps if more children had this kind of environment to grow up in they wouldn't need to make idols of others, they would feel complete and happy with themselves. |
Krissy Posts: 15430 Joined: 8th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:26 on 10th February 2009 Now that Diana is how it should be. Maybe I should take a page from their book! Imagine if every family took one week to shut everything off and spend time as a family!! I would love to see what good it would do!! Now you got me thinking. |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:32 on 10th February 2009 It is ideal Krissy, but it's not easy, especially if you are a single parent. But still, the children are here and it doesn't matter what the family situation is, they still need the direction, love and guidance from their caregivers. That doesn't change just because one parent is gone or they both have to work extra jobs. I'll bet you're a great mom Krissy! Edited by: Diana Sinclair at:10th February 2009 16:35 |
Jason T Posts: 7421 Joined: 14th Apr 2004 Location: UK | quotePosted at 16:35 on 10th February 2009 Its a good point Diana! But i wonder if the children have a role model still? i bet they kind of do, they play an instrument, well the best player of their chosen instrument? maybe i'm using the word role model wrong, it should be someone they look up to, admire? I definately agree that the digital nanny (TV) feeds our children to much at the moment! in effect someone elses ideals are bringing them up, and they're not usually good ideals!!! based on sugary fatty food, and violence!
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