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Paul HiltonPremier Member - Click for more info
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quotePosted at 05:04 on 4th August 2013

You might recall back in 1966 under Labour, Chancellor James Callaghan introduced Selective Employment Tax where employers in service industries paid an extra tax on their employees to try to get more people back into manufacturing. This S.E.T. as it was known, was abandoned in  1973 with the introduction of Value Added Tax at a 2 tier rate, if I recall  right, of 8% basic rate and 12.5% on luxury goods.

After a volatile 1970s, with the 2nd half, James Callaghan was now back as PM this time, and Maggie Thatcher winning the 1979 election; her key privatisation economic policy I think was the beginning of the end for Britians truck and bus manufacturers, because I think they found themselves having to compete with their European counter parts who I also think, were being subsidised by their governments and it wasn't a level playing field to compete with thier products with the inevitable result of what would eventually happen.

Perhaps the public was watching what was happening with the steel and coal industries at the same time making all the news, while the commercial vehicle sector was in the distant background not making the same amount of headlines, until one day, they've suddenly gone and closed their doors.



Edited by: Paul Hilton at:4th August 2013 05:59
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quotePosted at 18:51 on 5th August 2013
As an ex Ford Motor Company emplyee I am sad about the final Transit coming off the production lines at Southampton. I visited the plant for a week in 1998 and really enjoyed the experience. Every vehicle almost was different, being made for many different customers, all with their own special needs. My old home plant at Halewood, Merseyside now builds Land Rovers and works a three shift system, a fine tribute to the current success of exports for the product. There are many complex reasons for the decline in British vehicle production, not all to do with labour disputes. However, when the home base of a company is based in another country, those outposts are nearly always the most vulnerable. So, now we have Jaguars and Land Rovers being made by an Indian owned company. Such is life. 
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Sk Lawson
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quotePosted at 19:52 on 5th August 2013

Let us see world wide what went wrong.....

1.  Lack of products bought that re re-saleable in the average day to day market...at prices they are obtainable by most ordinary consumers.

2. High and unjust rates of finance for goods as services.

3. Out of balance social structure, with middle income people disappearing into the lower class.

4. dependence on one's Government in some way for livability.Be that through financial help or by some kind of permit fee's.

5.Waste of our natural resources and the refusal to replace them when possible..such trees.

6. Poisioning our envirorement..creating an sick society that always needs an doctor and therefore has little in the way of productivity.

7. Over taxation and hidden taxes...mostly brought on by people that can't understand they need to pay an fair share of money for profit. By their wanting to pay NO taxes..they weaken the society as an whole.

8. An general lack of commom sense and using common sense.

As  I said before..had they let electric cars be manufactured for low cost and low sale prices, it would of sustained the more expenisve gasoline cars at the same time...people could of had both sitting out in the their driveway..one for an commuter car and one for the family car. Where they went wrong was making an product and selling it for three times what they should of let it go for..to the point that once again the average consumer can't afford it . The commuter car should never be over $7,000 top price..never..anything above that is Wasted money spent by the consumer. What worked in the 50 and 60's era is the abilty of people to afford an car they would have paid off in three years time, so they could turn around and buy another. That is what kept the automobile line running in manufacturing. As it is now, most people will never own these $25,000 cars before they want to sell them again..and most often take an lost of money in the process. It's like standing on your front porch and throwing money out the door.  Who absorbs that lost cost..the economic market in general.

We have done an few good things..in trying to be an re-cyclable society instead of an disposable one..but truth is...no one even mentions the future any more..when I was an kid people could think of things they wanted to see in the future...people aren't that way now and where they can't imagine and produce...the world goes back to the dark ages again.  If people lost manufacturing jobs they had skills and free resources from the land to still. be self-sustaining on their own. If they wanted to go into furniture production they didn't have to grow their own tree, buy permits to do it, or buy land, as trees were there for everyone..no one fussed about losing an few tall trees, and afterwards pay taxes if they made an modest profit...unless they were into something as manufacturing  in an business situation.on an fulltime basis. From beginning gto end these days..before you even have the product sold, it's got cost factors placed on every step of the making. It to much for guys making an small profit..they go under at the first problem that might arise..cause they haven't earned enough money yet to survive in general. Just saw this recently here, and seemingly successful business folded up after 3 months of opening. It was going to be an neighborhood Spa... someone had bought an older small house they had converted over. They didn't even get the chance to build up clientel before they were put out of business by everyone else for fees and services rendered supposedly...such as insurance costs.

 

 

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Sk Lawson
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quotePosted at 20:03 on 5th August 2013

It's not to late to turn things around and go back to some of the things that worked in the past...some things were good back then. It is applying them to our future that needs to be the end result for success. Martha Waterman's 104 year old advice on living...Shirley, never look back in life... unless you can make something from it for the future days ahead. She lived four more years after telling me that also. She was the mother of several Govenor's in the past. ..all her kids were highly successful people without scandels attached to their name.

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quotePosted at 21:56 on 5th August 2013
As of To-Day    there are no more chocolate biscuits---chocolate---crisps                         white-bread ---i have to be content with brown bread                                 i need to lose some weight so the boss says.Frown 
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