Pictures of England

Search:

Historic Towns & Picturesque Villages

A picture of RyeBath AbbeyA picture of Bath AbbeyBag End?A picture of Barton Le ClayA picture of Barton Le Clay

Old Digital Cameras

**Please support PoE by donating today - thank you**
 
Edward Lever
Edward Lever
Posts: 734
Joined: 22nd Dec 2005
Location: UK
quotePosted at 13:04 on 28th July 2013

I cannot afford the latest 'must-have' cameras, so I make do with older equipment (I use a Canon  5D MK 1 DSLR which came out in 2005, and a Canon G5 compact, which came out in 2003). Lately, I realise that a benefit of using older cameras (apart from saving money) is that it can improve one's photo technique by making one think how to get the best results out of the limited capability of an older camera. I have been accused in jest of having the same mindset as those who use pin-hole cameras with film.

However, on a serious note, I would recommend anyone on a limited budget not to ignore older equipment. There are many excellent cameras from ten years ago which can be bought second-hand for a fraction of their original price and can still turn in very good results. 



Edited by: Edward Lever at:28th July 2013 13:07
My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Edward Lever
Edward Lever
Posts: 734
Joined: 22nd Dec 2005
Location: UK
quotePosted at 22:27 on 28th July 2013

Interesting point, John. Do you ever go back and review your first shots taken with the Olympus and compare them with what you are getting now? You may well find that with the knowledge you have acquired over the years, you could get better shots out of that Olympus today than you did first time round. Thats the beauty of photography, theres always something new to learn. 

My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Edward Lever
Edward Lever
Posts: 734
Joined: 22nd Dec 2005
Location: UK
quotePosted at 23:09 on 28th July 2013

You may be surprised at what you can buy second-hand, if you were interested in playing with that old camera again.

As a rough guide, I would expect to pay about one tenth of the new price for a ten year old camera, so a ten year old digital compact in good working order should cost peanuts. If you have a local camera shop, it might be worth seeing what they have in the window.

Many cameras of that age are quite good, though the display is much smaller than that on current cameras. For anyone looking at older compacts, try to get one that can be set to output RAW files for maximum quality. 

PS I have just been looking at the RAW output of a Canon Powershot G5  from 2003. The results are approaching SLR quality. At the time, ten years ago, memory card capacity was very limited and shooting RAW was not popular because the card soon got filled up. Nowadays, card capacity is not an issue. So if you can get an older compact that shoots RAW, go for it !  



Edited by: Edward Lever at:29th July 2013 09:33
My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Edward Lever
Edward Lever
Posts: 734
Joined: 22nd Dec 2005
Location: UK
quotePosted at 15:14 on 29th July 2013

Pity there is no second-hand dealer near you, John. Maybe I am fortunate. I live near Reading and there is one independent shop that sells cheap second-hand kit and also London Camera Exchange for the more up-market kit.

As for RAW, I didn't use it for years (which I now regret). There has been plenty of discussion of the pros- and cons- of RAW elsewhere in the forums. Never think you won't understand it. It depends if you are satisfied with the .jpg you get out of the camera. If you are happy with it, then using RAW is unnecessary.   

 

My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Dave John
Dave John
Posts: 22335
Joined: 27th Feb 2011
Location: England
quotePosted at 19:38 on 29th July 2013

Well I think everyone submitting photos here will say the same thing John....  You Never Stop Learning ! ! ! !

RAW is not as frightening as it seems, just a bit time consuming. And also you do not lose the original. All adjustments made to a RAW file are transferred to the jpeg final image. Think of the RAW file as simply the negative you would have had when using film.

My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Edward Lever
Edward Lever
Posts: 734
Joined: 22nd Dec 2005
Location: UK
quotePosted at 21:30 on 29th July 2013

It seems to me, John, you are just doing what most keen photographers do - being critical of your own efforts. This is the way you will improve your skills. The worst attitude is to be totally self-satisfied, you are definitely not that !

As for the equipment, all cameras, even the professional top-of-the-range ones, have their limitations. For example, the range of light intensity which can be recorded is much less than the human eye is capable of seeing. The skill is being aware of the limitations and working around them. 

Here on PoE, we are generally honest enough to say we could do better, myself included. That's the fun of it. 

 

My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Dave John
Dave John
Posts: 22335
Joined: 27th Feb 2011
Location: England
quotePosted at 22:49 on 29th July 2013
Not sure about youe specific camera John, but quite a lot of cameras allow you shoot both RAW and Jpeg which suit you for getting started. That way you have pics that you are used to getting but also can play with the RAW file and see just what a difference you can make. A Jpeg is only a RAW file converted 'in camera' to a set of parameters decided by the camera manufacturer. But shhoting both formats obviously takes up a bit more card space, so not as many images on the card. Raw files can be 4 or 5 times as big as a Jpeg simply because they record far more detail from the original scene. Just another thing to consider before blasting away and suddenly running out of cards. I use 8gb cards and shooting RAW get around 350 to a card, whereas with the largest Jpeg option I can get in the region of 1450. Yet another thing to remember is that increasing the ISO will also reduce the number of images.
My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Vince Hawthorn
Vince Hawthorn
Posts: 12758
Joined: 19th Apr 2010
Location: UK
quotePosted at 23:09 on 29th July 2013
  Should do John  , my FZ 38 will so I am sure your later version will. I am a bit like you and not got into Raw, know I should but it is the thought of all the extra time involved as well as all the new learning curves. Have seen mags with computer screens of working with raw and there does seem a great deal to get one's head round. Give it a go John and let us all know how it goes.
My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Vince Hawthorn
Vince Hawthorn
Posts: 12758
Joined: 19th Apr 2010
Location: UK
quotePosted at 23:46 on 29th July 2013
  Just look on the menu on the camera and scroll through recording set up or maybe hit the Q button and it might even drop down there.
My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
Dave John
Dave John
Posts: 22335
Joined: 27th Feb 2011
Location: England
quotePosted at 07:18 on 2nd August 2013
YES!!! they can be a bit tediuos not mention confusing.
My favourite: Pictures  |  Towns  |  Attractions
 Please login to post to this thread...