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John Love
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quotePosted at 17:22 on 16th July 2010

 

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Just searching through my family history and I have come across two references in the census records for my family referring to a MURDER CHILD.

In the 1861 census there is a child named William Curtis aged three months living with my great grandma Julia Wilson b 1853 Chilwell, Notts. In the relation to head of family column it states Murder child. Interestingly in the 1871 census the child (or another child) is still living with my relative, but the name given this time is William E Orme aged 8 but still stating Murder child.

Does anyone have any clue as to what this is about? 

 

 

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Ron Brind
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quotePosted at 17:55 on 16th July 2010

Hi John and welcome to POE from Anna and Ron. Why not introduce yourself in 'User Introductions' and tell the POE 'family' a little about yourself?

Hope you manage to resolve the issue referred to above and I will bet that a certain POE member will just love to solve this little riddle for you, eh Paul? Lol

As a matter of interest John what are you using to write this post? How come it's all in boxes?

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John Love
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quotePosted at 18:25 on 16th July 2010

Hello Anna & Ron

I did introduce myself when I joined (at least I thought I did). I wasn't too sure how to do a post so I first did it in Pages on my Mac and cut and copied it to here. I think I can do it correctly now.

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cathyml
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quotePosted at 18:27 on 16th July 2010
I wasn't a member when you first joined John so I am sure that I didn't welcome you then.  Good to have you aboard.  I'm sure Paul will come up with an explanation that will stun us all!
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quotePosted at 18:39 on 16th July 2010
Hi John----nothing to really stun with Cathy;  the 1861 Census actually refers to William Curtis as a nurse child which isn't that unusual thus---- A nurse child was usually an illegitimate or unwanted child being brought up by foster parents for a small fee.
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Rob Faleer
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quotePosted at 18:53 on 16th July 2010

Hmmm. I've done a lot of my own family work in UK census documents, but I've never run into that term. It doesn't seem to be an official designation at least.

I believe that Paul has hit this on the head. My first thought regarding the term "murder child" was that your g-grandmother must have been involved in foster care for parent-less children. Paul's revelation (not the Biblical one!) appears to answer your question, John.

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cathyml
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quotePosted at 19:02 on 16th July 2010
I didn't look at the census in question Paul, but yes Nurse child is frequently used (could they have also been wet nurses for a child whose mother was sick or unable to feed the baby?)  I have one family who had 6 or 7 nurse children with them!
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John Love
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quotePosted at 19:12 on 16th July 2010
Thanks for the responses everyone. Paul I agree it could say Nurse child on the 1861 census but it certainly looks like murder child on the 1871. Anyway the nurse child answer is a far nicer explanation than murder child. I'm glad you came up with that Paul as I have been searching for murders in the area at that time to see if I could find any references.
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Paul HiltonPremier Member - Click for more info
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quotePosted at 19:37 on 16th July 2010

There's 5,379 Nurse Childs in the 1861 census and does seems a common term relating to fostering children. The 1871 Census still says nurse child with William Orme's foster mum being Ann Moore; unmarried and living with her sisters --or sisters in law in 1861-- Rebecca and Julia Wilson, with Julia marrying William Love the following year.

I think Ann Moore is giving misleading information on both the 1861 and 1871 Census's with her relationship to the family and her marital status. I think you should check the 1851 Census and look for Julia's older brothers.



Edited by: Paul Hilton at:16th July 2010 20:41
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jc
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quotePosted at 01:15 on 18th July 2010

Hello all!

I'm in Arizona, the weather is little of 100* have to stay inside with my brother in air conditioning, Going to school for law and medical, hope to get to England soon to see the sights! God bless all!!

JUJU!!

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