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Andy Edwards Posts: 1900 Joined: 14th Mar 2008 Location: UK | quotePosted at 20:02 on 18th November 2008 And even moreso, individuals. Look up the Rothschild family, you will not believe their wealth and power. In fact, I think they might just OWN governments. And banks. |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 20:53 on 18th November 2008 That wouldn't surprise me. How about the Kennedys? |
Andy Edwards Posts: 1900 Joined: 14th Mar 2008 Location: UK | quotePosted at 20:56 on 18th November 2008 No. JFK died for his beliefs. He warned the American public about the onset of the New World Order. He died for that and Jack Ruby killed the patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald. I could give you plenty of names Diana, but I won't put them on here. |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 20:58 on 18th November 2008 I agree; I am a great fan of JFK's (incidentally, I too believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy). Rather, what I meant was, they are wealthy enough to own banks if not governments. Edited by: Diana Sinclair at:18th November 2008 20:59 |
MariaGrazia Posts: 711 Joined: 25th Mar 2008 Location: Italy | quotePosted at 22:21 on 18th November 2008 But which country saved the butt of us all 60 years ago? If they hadn't dropped them, someone else would have. Mind the others were just as involved and close as well in the rush to the nuclear. Imagine, just like in the plots of certain films, if the roles had been reversed. What if the US hadn't thrown those bombs , or if they hadn't won the cold war or what if somone else had the power they've got now? Their fault is just to have sat at the table as winners too many times to be liked or appreciated.
As for Kennedy, you are right but that doesn't make the US gov worse than any other. Name a country which hasn't gone through some political murder in its history..
--Look up the Rothschild family, you will not believe their wealth and power. In fact, I think they might just OWN governments. And banks. Absolutely. In fact, every country has got their own Rothschild's. No illusion, the few rule over the many, and that's always been true, whether you are a democracy or a dictatorship, both if you live in the richest and in the most miserable place in the world. Only the ways change. Though Andy, the ways can make the difference. The fact that you and I are free to write as we are now is the key difference to me. What I am saying basically is that I agree about our western-capitalistic-US ruled world being faulty and gone mad, but I've still been awaiting a valid alternative before throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. |
Andy Edwards Posts: 1900 Joined: 14th Mar 2008 Location: UK | quotePosted at 23:40 on 18th November 2008 Can I just say Maria, the American population was opposed to war....simply because killing and getting killed doesn't sit comfortably with civillised people, it never has and never will. But to Governments its BIG business. Especially if you not only supply arms to your own troops, but also to the enemies troops too. The Japanese (who incidentally never set foot in Great Britain and probably never would have) were bullied by the American regime (the usual case of taking land and building USAAF bases on it), Guam springs to mind here.....to the point where they had no choice but to bomb Pearl Harbour. Don't forget though, the Americans were well aware of the oncoming attack, they had been warned by the Russians, the British and the French, but took not a blind bit of notice. Why not? I'll tell you. They knew it would spark enough outrage amongst the general population for them to 'experiment' with their new technology, the atom bomb. In much the same vane, America waged war on Iraq, because of 911, even though none of the 19 ''terrorists'' were Iraqis. Just wait and see how many American bases spring up in Iraq. Edited by: Andy Edwards at:18th November 2008 23:42 |
Shirley K. Lawson Posts: 2310 Joined: 17th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 03:51 on 19th November 2008 One time over here someone put soemthing on the internet that was yanked off in an couple of days, never to be seen again, basically here's what it said, supposedly from an "insider"..but you never know about conspiracy either as to the truth or not...it said that JFK was killed by George Bush, Sr., under the CIA that ex-Presient Johnson was at the time running..the reason why, over the Cuban missle crisis "show-down" and the fact that the Russians had "embarassed" the CIA by what JFK had done, it seems apparently Bush, Sr. had went to South America and bought himself an "coup" to over take Castro and oust him, he trained and supplied these guys, and JFK knew nothing about it, but Castro apparently did, he asked for "back-up" from the Russians...whom responded, JFK thought he had an invasion in the USA to be concerned about, not holding back an "CIA" covert program. The only reason most likely its said that the Russians actually did back down, not because they were afraid of what JFK would do..they figured he'd by then, he'd get out of playing with Marylin Monroe(which they supplied to keep him busy also)., and get back to the "good old boys from Texas" via the CIA...when the Russians back down, couldn't very well take out "Castro" then...without losing "face" and the "Texas Gang" swore they'd get back at Kennedy, as they had an LOT of money into the training and equiptment for this operation...they loss. After his death "Mrs. JFK" went to Onasis because they were going to use her as "jealous wife" if anything back fired to them. Jackies chose well, with Onasis...she didnt' have to have her USA citzenship, with his shipping empire..he probably had as much money as the Government did, and she was protected by his "security" also..and they knew they'd be dead meat if they tried anything. That is one reason why they conjured up this "had to been the Russians" doing it. They wanted to take the heat off the people/CIA here in the country. Cuba is not an threat that I am aware of, so what it is they want the country for is beyond me...Oil maybe? But I doubt it has that much. It's also said that when JFK, Jr.went down that there was an guy seen off Martha's Vineyard flying an small remote airplane, the kind they can shut down electrical equiptment on real airplanes with. I believe they feared him politically..which brings us to Princess Diana,...its'said that they took her out because she was going to get into an world "Peace" movement for stopping the abilty of countries to use side road bombs(motars) in the middle east...and for most of them this is the cheapest and easiest way to kill their "enemy" as world-wide terrorists....they silenced her for it, her thing was the small kids being killed when they play in these areas of unknown land mines/mortars and they go off by mistake. But "war" is an dicey thing these days if you don't have the money to fund "nukes" like Iran is or was trying to do. I saw an video on another web site about Ben laden, the lady that was killed over in Afganistan recently was on an TV show here and she said the Marshif guy that was running the country, killed Ben Laden and everyone over there knows it, and he's tried to kill her repeatedly also, and she knew it back when the video was made that her days were most likely numbered. See what happens when you don't have kids to raise, the luandry to wash and the cooking to do...you just get involved in all kinds of very deadly "games". He killed Ben Laden for the backing of money by the USA...now, it's your guess as to mine, if any or all of this is the truth or not.People are bought and sold all the time any more...and most the time the "news" hardly knows the truth behind whose done what in reality...and whom cares once an person is dead...you can't bring them back. Today was my mother's 80th birthday, had she not died rather quickly also from medical "help"...she was 48 years old back then. It went, my Great Aunt that knew the President), JFK..Martin Luther King, and then my mother...then her cousin down there also(California)...another "strange" death in our family...we would of never known about it had it not been for her hispanic housekeeper finding an recent letter to my great aunt's sister...reason for this is unknown, other then she had just finished an huge real estate deal down there. Jackie Kennedy's brother or ..close relative.. lives in West Portland the last I heard...quietly though. |
Ruth Gregory Posts: 8072 Joined: 25th Jul 2007 Location: USA | quotePosted at 04:11 on 19th November 2008 On 18th November 2008 22:21, MariaGrazia wrote:
You've made some very good points, Andy and definitely provided food for thought. It's great to get some perspective from people in other countries. And yes, I believe and have always believed that the US isn't different from any other country in that we get spoon fed from our "free press" what the government wants us to know and believe. That's why the internet can be good as an alternative information source. But the www is another area in which it's nearly impossible to discern truth, so what do we do? This may be a very controversial thing to say, but I guess we'd better start praying. LOL.
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Ruth Gregory Posts: 8072 Joined: 25th Jul 2007 Location: USA | quotePosted at 04:15 on 19th November 2008 On 18th November 2008 18:28, Beth Austin wrote:
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Wolf Posts: 3423 Joined: 9th Jul 2008 Location: Australia | quotePosted at 04:31 on 19th November 2008 Hi folks, I am not sure how to comment on this topic, but I have enough wars going on in my own body at the moment to be too concerned about it. |