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Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 15:39 on 2nd October 2009 Lawmakers and health officials in Massachusetts are pushing for a bill that would penalize drivers who are found smoking in their cars while being accompanied by children under 18. I am of two minds about this. It's a slippery slope. It's a shame that some parents don't have the God given sense (or parental concern) not to smoke around their children. But is a law passed to target the indigent minority really going to help? Parents who would smoke with their children in the car also smoke while rocking their babies to sleep. What's next? Policing homes? |
Jason T Posts: 7421 Joined: 14th Apr 2004 Location: UK | quotePosted at 15:53 on 2nd October 2009 Yeah your right really Diana, its a difficult one, but who wants to live in a nanny state, where we all have to be forced to dumb down to the dumbest! Its true of most things, even speeding, if someone is hurt/killed on a road, the speed limit is lowered, even if it was due to stupid people doing stupid things in bad conditions! now if a few stupid people die on the road, people think god thats terrible, and it acts as a warning to others, we learn from these things it helps us become aware of dangers, the danger of just cocooning us and making laws to prevent stupid things happening, is nobody learns why. It becomes like a parent saying to a young child ....because i said so!! instead of explaining why. Ok sometimes you do have to say 'because i said so' but its usually better to educate. |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:08 on 2nd October 2009 It's true, Jason! The people the laws are written for won't heed them and the people who will heed them don't need them! |
Krissy Posts: 15430 Joined: 8th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:36 on 2nd October 2009 There were no laws like this 20-30 years ago. Why now? Like you said Diana, parents should know to not smoke around their kids but law or no law, they are still going to do it. They'll just wait till they get out of the car and into their own homes. |
Ron Brind Posts: 19041 Joined: 26th Oct 2003 Location: England | quotePosted at 16:50 on 2nd October 2009 I say, 'sounds like a good idea' to me. Can't be concentrating on the road if your smoking, eating, listening to music, putting on make-up girls, drinking tea and/or coffee, finishing your breakfast. It all happens along the A40 from london to Oxford... In fact a better idea would be to make those who smoke, walk around with a chimney stitched to their ear!! Thinks.....wait for it! |
Peter Evans Posts: 3863 Joined: 20th Aug 2006 Location: UK | quotePosted at 19:51 on 2nd October 2009 What happens if the 18 year old is smoking in the car? Will they get a fine? Sounds like the thin end of the wedge to me. Edited by: Peter Evans at:2nd October 2009 23:10 |
Shirley K. Lawson Posts: 2310 Joined: 17th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 03:59 on 3rd October 2009 I got an better answer for this Diana, I mean if people want to kill themselves smoking to begin with possibly, shouldn't they at least do it like the Native Americans and make an special place in their home, and an "ritual" in that room for an certain time to smoke and make it soemthing special....Smoking is an old ritual tied into "vespers" in warding off bad vibes, or paying homage to the spirit of the creator/God. But I think everyone has heard of the "Turkish Smoking Rooms, of the past also..when the men reclined after dinner into their smoking room for conversation while the women cleaned things up or they went an talked amoung themselves as well. Something about going down the road with one hanging out of your mouth that doesn't give it the glory it deserves for the price your health pays for it. I think the guys use to have "smoking jackets" back then also come to think of it. Google "Pittock Mansion, Portland, Oregon, the front turrent there is such an small room, done in turquiose turkish tile he imported, with views out across Portland in any warm and safe in any weather, this little room was made exclusively an "smoking room". It held maybe four people maxium....high domed celings also...was just off the dining room. |
Stephanie Jackson Posts: 3911 Joined: 13th Apr 2008 Location: UK | quotePosted at 08:38 on 3rd October 2009 I agree with Ron - shouldn't be smoking in their cars anyway as it affects concentration. They banned using mobile phones which I agree with and smoking in cars should be banned too. Years ago when Martin smoked he dropped a lit cigarette in his lap whilst driving - luckily he didn't have a accident. Incidentally we drove past a man the other day who was shaving while he was driving! I also agree with Jason in alot of ways - I am sick of living in this upside down nanny state! On one hand people are not allowed to smoke in front of children without being treated like a criminal and on the other hand in the same society youths virtually get away with ruining peoples lives by what they call "anti social behaviour" but what is really theft, criminal damage, harrassment, ABH, GBH and in some extreme cases murder. |
Ron Brind Posts: 19041 Joined: 26th Oct 2003 Location: England | quotePosted at 09:38 on 3rd October 2009 Agree with you as well Stephanie, lots wrong in our beautiful country. |
Jason T Posts: 7421 Joined: 14th Apr 2004 Location: UK | quotePosted at 12:10 on 3rd October 2009 Don't get me wrong, driving whilst smoking is probably a bad idea, i think the law is trying to say no smoking at all in cars with children. Now i don't smoke, and i don't think its right to smoke in front of children, but there's a lot of stupid people about, that do and always will do this, law or not. I heard once that during autopsies its only the very young that have pink lungs taken out, the rest of us, smokers or not, have damaged, discoloured lungs, this is due to enviromental pollution, ok heavy smokers will be worse i guess, but its a worrying thought. It just seems we're obsessed with bringing in difficult to enforce laws that probably won't really have any great effect. People will always do stupid things, and people will always die due to these stupid things, we can't try to protect everyone. And Steph your right about the 'youths' they seem to cause chaos, but then i think youths always have to a certain extent, what is missing now is parental guidance, its all left to someone else, hence silly laws been passed, it won't work unless the parental support is there!! And as for ASBO's i think they should rename them
Teenagers With Antisocial Tendancies ....kind of suits them better i think, they might be a little slower to brag about it too!! |