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Church of England ends ban on Gay Clergy in Civil partnerships becoming Bishops

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Ron Brind
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quotePosted at 09:11 on 5th January 2013

The Church of England has ended the ban on Gay Clergy in Civil partnerships becoming Bishops, but they must remain celibate.

Apparently this has come from the House of Bishops a month after a proposal for Women Bishops was rejected.

Right, wrong, cruel, does it matter?

What say you members?

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Edward Lever
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quotePosted at 10:48 on 8th January 2013

The influence of the CoE has been declining for many years and these debates do nothing to improve its standing in the view of the average church-goer in Middle England. I think the CoE is doomed now. Those who want traditional values will look to the Church of Rome.

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cathyml
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quotePosted at 15:33 on 8th January 2013

To me that really states that the men of the church prefer other men, even gay men in gay relationships, than any woman bishop.  What does that say about their views on women?

The women have largely been the backbone of the church congregations and have taken care of the religious (or not) education of their children.  

So we are still less than dust under their feet are we?  

I wonder what would happen if all women decided to leave the congregations - refuse to marry in a church or christen/baptise their children in one -  how many services would still be held?  Hummmmmm! 

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Edward Lever
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quotePosted at 19:46 on 8th January 2013
Cathyml, I think you will find that in most Churches, at least in the UK, the number of women far exceeds the number of men. Maybe your solution would be to have a 'Womens Church'  but it is effectively so already, apart from having women Bishops, since the CoE allows women to be Priests. The divisive issues in the CoE relate to Church Leadership, where there are strong views on both sides. Those who oppose women Bishops and gay Bishops are generally the Evangelicals, who claim to follow biblical teaching. I am not a regular church-goer, but observe this carry-on with some sadness to see the Church so divided. 

Edited by: Edward Lever at:8th January 2013 19:49
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cathyml
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quotePosted at 21:01 on 8th January 2013

I think it has been that way Edward ever since they "allowed" women into the services!!

This strong division of the chuch, by it's leadership, will kill it, I am sure!!  "A house divided upon itself......!"

At least when the Pope says No - there is no argument (the clergy might not like it but it shows  strong leadership! )

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