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Dave John Posts: 22335 Joined: 27th Feb 2011 Location: England	quotePosted at 22:36 on 18th January 2014 Hi John, I have also checked with Chris and Sarah and they ci=onfirmed my original thoughts ... the higher quality you upload to POE the better quality images they will have to sell for you. Apparently they are still working on a few things that will manifest themselves in the next few weeks My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Edward Lever Posts: 734 Joined: 22nd Dec 2005 Location: UK	quotePosted at 22:50 on 18th January 2014 If any PoE member is lucky enough to sell their images regularly, then I think it is likely that HMRC will interpret the activity as 'trading'. This would mean that VAT would have to be collected by PoE from the purchaser, and the photographer would have to pay income tax on his 'cut' at the appropriate rate. The whole question of tax has put me off trying to sell my images. If I was a sufficiently good photographer (which I am not), I would set up as a limited company and then offset the cost of my photographic equipment against my tax liability. It will be interesting to see what volume of sales transpires through this PoE initiative. I can see the greatest problem will be getting a consistent image quality, bearing in mind that purchasers of stock images require good quality minimally compressed .jpg or sometimes raw images. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Dave John Posts: 22335 Joined: 27th Feb 2011 Location: England	quotePosted at 23:00 on 18th January 2014 The quality issue is very true Edward. Most agencies look for Jpeg images but can be looking at MINIMUM file sizes of 15-20mb.And they tend to check then very closely ... any dirty sensor marks or poor processing and they will be rejected. If any ask for RAW images they would have to spend time processing them. And I cannot imagine many photographers willing to part with a RAW image for peanuts. Also many agencies offer commission split of 60/40, in THEIR favour plus the majority of agencies ask for a selection of your images for consideration before signing you up and then require a minimun submission per week or month depending on what contract you agree with them My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Edward Lever Posts: 734 Joined: 22nd Dec 2005 Location: UK	quotePosted at 00:51 on 19th January 2014 On 18th January 2014 23:44, John Lawrence wrote: I am more than a little concerned that the professional photographer will take over the site and spoil the POE family. Looking at todays submissions there is more than one pro at work, I felt that I couldn't make comments as these people know more than me! Who is going to buy an amateur pic when they can get a pro one. Hope it doesn't because that would be a crying shame. This is one site I feel at home on and I know I am not the only one. Just my thoughts. Unfortunately, John, what you say may be true, but I don't think it will happen at PoE. As Dave John said, the standards of the 'Pro' Stock Libraries is very high. I agree with you about the nice aspects of PoE. I don't think many professionals would join PoE to sell on this site, since there are already many high quality stock agencies which cater for Press / TV / Advertising etc. Possibly the market for PoE pictures is for low-cost brochures for advertising local businesses and events. To produce an image to professional standards generally requires professional equipment, which sadly is beyond the reach of most amateurs, including myself. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Rod Burkey Posts: 554 Joined: 2nd Sep 2008 Location: UK	quotePosted at 08:41 on 19th January 2014 Maybe, with the added attraction of now being able to sell, some may choose to be a little bit more selective about what they submit. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Edward Lever Posts: 734 Joined: 22nd Dec 2005 Location: UK	quotePosted at 09:37 on 19th January 2014 On 19th January 2014 08:41, Rod Burkey wrote: Maybe, with the added attraction of now being able to sell, some may choose to be a little bit more selective about what they submit. I think this is a very pertinent point, Rod, which I hadn't really considered until you mentioned it. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Ron Brind Posts: 19041 Joined: 26th Oct 2003 Location: England	quotePosted at 09:38 on 19th January 2014 Know that these interesting comments are being read by Chris and Sarah so do keep them coming as it helps to iron out anything 'unforseen', but knowing Chris and Sarah that is unlikely. Your ideas are welcome and always read, even though they may not get a response each time. Incidentally POE has had professional photographers on-board since day one so no need to worry about the site changing, or those with better equipment taking over. POE is the very best England site on the net bar none and if you disagree with that, show me something better. The site has been developed over the years to provide a fair and reasonable opportunity for all and probably has the most comprehensive England forum also. POE needs to be supported and make money to retain what it has established over the past 12 years and this is just one obvious way that will help, I hope! Thanks to all on behalf of Chris and Sarah for your continued support. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Dave John Posts: 22335 Joined: 27th Feb 2011 Location: England	quotePosted at 10:04 on 19th January 2014 On 19th January 2014 09:37, Edward Lever wrote: On 19th January 2014 08:41, Rod Burkey wrote: Maybe, with the added attraction of now being able to sell, some may choose to be a little bit more selective about what they submit. I think this is a very pertinent point, Rod, which I hadn't really considered until you mentioned it. That is also a very good point. Not only better quality images, in focus, level horizons, compostion etc, but may induce people to write better descriptions of their images. Without a description of where and what the chances of selling are vastly reduced. I did suggest a while ago that the description block be made compulsory like the rating black, so hopefully that is onthe back burner awaiting attention. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Dave John Posts: 22335 Joined: 27th Feb 2011 Location: England	quotePosted at 10:16 on 19th January 2014 On 19th January 2014 00:51, Edward Lever wrote: On 18th January 2014 23:44, John Lawrence wrote: I am more than a little concerned that the professional photographer will take over the site and spoil the POE family. Looking at todays submissions there is more than one pro at work, I felt that I couldn't make comments as these people know more than me! Who is going to buy an amateur pic when they can get a pro one. Hope it doesn't because that would be a crying shame. This is one site I feel at home on and I know I am not the only one. Just my thoughts. Unfortunately, John, what you say may be true, but I don't think it will happen at PoE. As Dave John said, the standards of the 'Pro' Stock Libraries is very high. I agree with you about the nice aspects of PoE. I don't think many professionals would join PoE to sell on this site, since there are already many high quality stock agencies which cater for Press / TV / Advertising etc. Possibly the market for PoE pictures is for low-cost brochures for advertising local businesses and events. To produce an image to professional standards generally requires professional equipment, which sadly is beyond the reach of most amateurs, including myself. Simply due to the image sizes I totally agree with Edward. POE is probably not gonna compete with the top range Agencies, unless of course there is a particulary outstanding image where a buyer is willing to go for a smaller size file. I think whatever methods POE decides to promote the selling side of the site will dictate its customers. I would be thinking local recreational businesses, such as Holiday Cottage brochures or even local councils, local newspapers are always on the lookout for cheap images for certain promotions And don't forget we can all help with the promotion by passing the POE details to local sources. My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions
Dave John Posts: 22335 Joined: 27th Feb 2011 Location: England	quotePosted at 11:48 on 19th January 2014 WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN WHY ????? Those are the tradidtional requirments for the publication of images I would suggest that the minumun information required on POE should be WHAT WHERE WHEN What and when are down to the photographer alone as you were there pressing the button. When (the date) is easily typed in to your description or title, but as has been mentioned in a previous thread, is readily extractable from the EXIF information imbedded into the image thereby ensuring it's inclusion. Again I think this is an update on the back burner pending other priorities My favourite: Pictures \| Towns \| Attractions