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rustyruth
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quotePosted at 12:18 on 21st May 2015
I like to take landscape/seascape pictures and also buildings and architecture. During my time using a P&S camera I often felt the need for a wide angle lens so that I could get more of the scene in the picture.
Now that I have a camera capable of housing a wide angle/ultra wide angle lens I'm toying with the idea of buying one. This is where I'm getting a little confused.
When I first Googled 'Wide angle lens for Nikon' I was lead to eBay and Amazon who both offer conversion kits for around £8 to £20, these are not only for wide angle shots but also macro, which I don't really want as I already have the means to take macro shots. The kit fits onto the existing 18 - 55mm lens. I read the reviews and they were mixed, most people were unimpressed with the wide angle capabilities, stating blurred edges, fuzzy pictures and vignetting around the edges. I also compared some pictures taken with the conversation kit against a normal photo and the difference was minimal - so I ditched this idea.

I then started looking at ultra wide angle lenses actually made for the job, once I'd picked myself up off the floor having seen the price of some of them I researched further and that's when the confusion set in i.e. What exactly do I need ?

I looked at a new Sigma 10 - 20mm (or was it 10 - 22mm ?) and also a couple of Nikon lenses. I also looked at a few second hand ones on eBay, these were Sigma lenses for Nikon, A couple of them had bids on for between £85 and £90 but it was difficult to tell the condition from the owners photos, so I gave that a miss.

Advice required please on a few points please. What exactly should I be looking for, there are so many different numbers I'm getting lost ? Is it worth saving up and buying new, or is there somewhere (other than auction sites) where I can get a good quality second hand lens ? Is anyone using a lens that they can recommend ? Are the conversation kits a reasonable cheap alternative, or am I dismissing them without good reason ?

Many thanks in advance.

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Dave John
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quotePosted at 12:44 on 21st May 2015

Hi Ruth, will get later when I get home but the Sigmas 10-20 is a superb piece of kit. It comes in 2 versions fixed aperture of f3.5 or variable aperture f4 - f5.6. I have the variable one for my 500D and can well recommend it. If I am right Rod has the f3.5 version and again am sure he will extol its virtues

Sigma is always a very good alternative to marque lenses and the general user would not really be able to tell the difference

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rustyruth
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quotePosted at 12:52 on 21st May 2015

Thanks Dave, I did notice there were two versions of the Sigma lens. My zoom/macro lens is a Sigma, but I haven't got to grips with that yet. I fancy that a wide angle lens will be more use to me.

 

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Zbigniew Siwik
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quotePosted at 13:13 on 21st May 2015
There's few more to consider : Sigma 8-16 , Tamron 10-24 , Tokina 11-16 
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rustyruth
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quotePosted at 13:43 on 21st May 2015
Thanks Zbigniew I'll have a look at those too.
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Paul Hilton
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quotePosted at 19:06 on 21st May 2015

Most people I know are quite happy with the Sigma 10-20mm lens ( 15-30mm effectively on Nikon APS-C sensor cameras).

as for numbers, besides the focal length in mm, the F3.5 version is a constant maximum aperture of F3.5 throughout the zoom range whist the F4-F5.6 alternative gives a max apeture of F4 at the 10mm end and max F5.6 at the 20mm end. If you're taking your pics outside in the daytime as you suggest, you'll be stopping the lens down in any case.

but, if you find it also useful for doing interiors that might be a bit dim, the 3.5 apeture might come in useful at times, or otherwise, raise the ISO a stop.

I just tried a virtually never used Sigma 20mm F1.8 on my D300 verses a old Nikon kit lens of 18-70mm at 18mm. Zooming in on the images taken, the Sigma is significantly out performing the Nikon and the colours looked nicer too.

my Nikon lens nearest similar to your 10-20mm idea is so horrendously priced, all I'll say it it worked.  The Sigma as motioned by others is probably your best bet.

 

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rustyruth
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quotePosted at 19:37 on 21st May 2015

Thank you Paul. I don't take many interior shots, but when I do at the moment I'm not getting as much in the picture as I'd like, so I am wanting something that handles interiors well when I need it to.

It seems Sigma are coming out on top at the moment. I still need to look at the lenses suggested by Zbigniew, but I'm already getting a much clearer idea of what I'm looking for.

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quotePosted at 20:28 on 21st May 2015
I am the proud owner of a Sigma 10-20, f3.5 fixed aperture lens. It is just superb in my view, and I love it. It's ideal for both rural and for me especially, urban landscapes. The images it provides me with are razor sharp and whilst not cheap is well worth digging into the coffers for. 
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Dave John
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quotePosted at 20:35 on 21st May 2015

Just going back to your original post Ruth, don't go anywhere 'lens adaptors' as they are usually very cheap and nasty things that screw into the filter thread and will desecrate the quality of your lens. Avoid them like the plague. As to buying 2nd hand, my 10-22 is a used model and has never given me any problems. Be very wary of E-bay unless you really know what you are looking for and the sellers have a very high score and a good selection of photos of the lens and a sensible returns policy. Look for scratches on the rear lens mount and any ' major' scuffs on the barrel and handling rings. A bit of wear is to be expected of course. I would go along with Paul and suggest the f4-5.6 version unless you intend doing any interior shot, but again with Paul just raise the ISO. Tamron as indicated by Zbigniew are also very good but personally don't know much about them. The filter thread on these supr wide zooms tends to be quite large, 77mm in the case on the Sigma 10-20 f4-5.6, but apart from neutral density filetrs I cannot think of any others you would want to use. Polarisers are very ineffectice on very wide lenses as the light comes in at various angle and appears in the final image quite varied across the frame.

If you can find a used 10-20 f3-5 at a good price I would go for it but still weigh the cost against the f4-5.6. Even indoors you will be stopping the lens down to some degree anyway to ensure depth of field. Another point takes us back to one of your previous posts, that of 'Converging Verticals'. The wider you go the more the distortion will be evident but this is simply an inherent parts of ultra wide lenses. The extreme wide angle of the lens can take a bit of getting used to just realising the vast amount that can be captured in the frame. Also when using lenses of such wide angles it is vital to include some relatively strong foregroung interest

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rustyruth
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quotePosted at 21:00 on 21st May 2015

Rod - many thanks I've just been having a look at that particular lens on a couple of web sites with reviews, and very good they are too. As you say though it's not cheap, but seemingly well worth the money.

Dave - again many thanks for your comprehensive reply. You've certainly answered my question about the conversation kits, I will avoid them at all costs, I was getting the impression from the reviews that they were trouble. One chap got his on the lens and it wouldn't come off, not a good situation.

As for eBay, I don't think I'd ever commit to such an expensive purchase on there unless I was 100 per cent sure about the seller, and I don't think that's going to happen. It was worth a look though to see what the used prices were like. Used is still a good option for me though looking at the prices of the new ones. I will have to have a search round a few camera shop web sites, starting with Wilkinsons and see what's available.

Thanks again everyone. I can always rely on the good people at POE to offer excellent advice. 

 

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