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Shirley K. Lawson
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quotePosted at 06:41 on 3rd February 2009
On 2nd February 2009 22:42, Paul Hilton wrote:

Referring to Bob's post above, I wish I paid no income tax ! For our non-UK visitors, here's roughly the situation here, as personal circumstances can cause these figures to vary.

The personal allowance is currently £6,035 for those up to 65. The amount you can earn before you start paying income tax, if other personal factors don't alter this figure.  Then the tax rate is £0--£34,800 taxed at 20% and over £34,800 then at 40%.  A second job isn't allowed this allowance and will be taxed as above on anything earnt.  Then there's National Insurance to add to this; in my own case, about another 10% deducted.  But, the government isn't finshed with you yet as there is  17.5% VAT/ sales tax on the vast majority of things you buy; though temporarily, this is now 15%; a reduction of 2.1%, not 2.5% as some think.


Paul,sometimes get into an blog out of Canada and listen to what some of the people up there are saying also, it's pretty interesing at times. It's said that money is the root of all evil and indeed its become that..and world-wide these days also. In some ways every station is trying to hang on and cope with the problems of it...low income, middleman and the rich..everyone is losing in some compacity from what they did have. There's only an few really "rich" in ways, and they don't count money part of that...they count it in the freedom to do as they want/wish to do in life.  As an historican the USA was "built" by people that couldn't pay their taxes, so they kept moving further out west where there wasn't any taxes...we'd never known whom they were if they didn't write down their names as to being in debt for back taxes. As they moved on though, they had some things they never had to worry about, they could chop down an tree to live in and build an place of their own, they could hunt and grow gardens and never go hungry totally..in their loneliness they turned to "God" and in times of sickness. If things really got bad, they could still have the option of moving on to somewhere to start over again. None of that is available to us right now, thanks to the population, and more then anything, the rules and regualtions we have adopted to be "civil" to each other. We  can't chop down an tree just anywhere these days to stay warm, we have to have money for permits, same for building and while we have better services for health, no one is living longer much like they should be, and the costs are sky high for treatments/cures...there is no more "free"frontier to move to for the most part. With every turn ther eis an need for money to see one's way out and it needs changed in ways. We need our "New" frontier out there available somewhere...i tcould be "space"maybe, but I doubt it's going to be debt free. There is an man proposing making artifical "islands" in the ocean now though...I doubt for free though. If nothign is for free womeone ought to be out there rumming up jobs for everyone me thinks, good paying ones also, or else knockout the priceing on things...esp"basic" things needed to sustain life.     

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Shirley K. Lawson
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quotePosted at 06:51 on 3rd February 2009

Diana, you know if you enjoy life, and there's someone out there, that you'll meet them eventually and if you don't....consider this an reason, maybe the world needs you more, then then just one person needs you to themself. Many leaders of the world are people that rather married or not were people that had hard times when getting tied down to an family life. Few were sucessful at both endeavors if you really knew the whole story.  Just send "bobo" an well used hankie with some used day old nose burgers on it....he'll understand. There is no such thing as "pickin and grinnin"....at the same time.

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Ron Brind
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quotePosted at 09:18 on 3rd February 2009
Wow, some powerful words there Shirley and I don't disagree with any of it. I almost feel I am cheating you by not responding with more content but there are other things that I need to do (include sort out my appointments) so just know that I believe you have hit the nail firmly on the head, and I love you for speaking out as you do. Well done and I am sure there will be follow-up postings!
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Stephanie Jackson
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quotePosted at 11:22 on 3rd February 2009
Wow Diana - you've started something here!!! Hope things get better for you soon Diana. I lived on my own for 7 years after splitting from my 1st husband. It is tough. I had to pay him out for his share of the house and everything in it (and prices of houses were inflated at the time - I wouldn't mind if he had bothered to work for the time we were together!). Then a couple of years later I lost my job and that's when Martin and myself started the business which was hard going for a few years. Luckily for me I bought my 1st house when prices were low so I managed to pay the mortgage somehow. Your rent truly sounds like a massive drain on resources. I hope you get the break you truly deserve,
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Bob T
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quotePosted at 11:47 on 3rd February 2009
Money is NOT the root to all evil. It is merely a tool with which you may use for good or bad. PEOPLE are evil. Money is an inanimate object.
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Bob T
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quotePosted at 11:58 on 3rd February 2009

What people fail to understand is that the problems we face in the US transcend party lines. There is enough guilt to go around. As long as the American people continue to re-elect the same dolts that have been screwing up by the numbers, nothing will change. While I am a registered Republican, I ALWAS vote for the person who I think will do the best job regardless of their party.

As the old saying goes; Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 13:31 on 3rd February 2009
On 3rd February 2009 06:51, Shirley K. Lawson wrote:

Diana, you know if you enjoy life, and there's someone out there, that you'll meet them eventually and if you don't....consider this an reason, maybe the world needs you more, then then just one person needs you to themself. Many leaders of the world are people that rather married or not were people that had hard times when getting tied down to an family life. Few were sucessful at both endeavors if you really knew the whole story.  Just send "bobo" an well used hankie with some used day old nose burgers on it....he'll understand. There is no such thing as "pickin and grinnin"....at the same time.


OMG Shirley, you are just the tonic I need! LOL! Laughing
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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 13:36 on 3rd February 2009
On 3rd February 2009 11:22, Stephanie Jackson wrote:
Wow Diana - you've started something here!!! Hope things get better for you soon Diana. I lived on my own for 7 years after splitting from my 1st husband. It is tough. I had to pay him out for his share of the house and everything in it (and prices of houses were inflated at the time - I wouldn't mind if he had bothered to work for the time we were together!). Then a couple of years later I lost my job and that's when Martin and myself started the business which was hard going for a few years. Luckily for me I bought my 1st house when prices were low so I managed to pay the mortgage somehow. Your rent truly sounds like a massive drain on resources. I hope you get the break you truly deserve,



Thanks Steph! Kiss

Some how I seem to have given everyone the idea that I am unhappy alone; that's not true. I may get lonely sometimes, and I do think it would be nice to have someone to kiss good night, share a cup of coffee with, or to just sit in companionable silence as we each read our favorite books, but I am not languishing away. If I meet someone, great! But if not, I refuse to put my life on hold and live as a miserable wretch! LOL! Laughing

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Cathy E.
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quotePosted at 15:04 on 3rd February 2009
Diana, my heart goes out to you. Will keep you in prayer. Kiss
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Stephanie Jackson
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quotePosted at 15:28 on 3rd February 2009
On 3rd February 2009 13:36, Diana Sinclair wrote:
On 3rd February 2009 11:22, Stephanie Jackson wrote:
Wow Diana - you've started something here!!! Hope things get better for you soon Diana. I lived on my own for 7 years after splitting from my 1st husband. It is tough. I had to pay him out for his share of the house and everything in it (and prices of houses were inflated at the time - I wouldn't mind if he had bothered to work for the time we were together!). Then a couple of years later I lost my job and that's when Martin and myself started the business which was hard going for a few years. Luckily for me I bought my 1st house when prices were low so I managed to pay the mortgage somehow. Your rent truly sounds like a massive drain on resources. I hope you get the break you truly deserve,



Thanks Steph! Kiss

Some how I seem to have given everyone the idea that I am unhappy alone; that's not true. I may get lonely sometimes, and I do think it would be nice to have someone to kiss good night, share a cup of coffee with, or to just sit in companionable silence as we each read our favorite books, but I am not languishing away. If I meet someone, great! But if not, I refuse to put my life on hold and live as a miserable wretch! LOL! Laughing


You haven't given me the wrong idea Diana, I was very happy on my own too - I loved doing my own thing - coming in when I wanted and watching what I wanted on the TV!!! LOL. It is tough money wise on your own though - although my 1st husband got me into debt so I was so much better off without him!
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