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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 15:40 on 1st July 2009

A cell phone ban was implemented for all MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority) drivers after a May 8 trolley crash (which the driver of the trolley admitted was due to text messaging), forbidding drivers from using their cell phones while driving.  Since the ban went into effect three MBTA employees have been disciplined for using cell phones while driving public vehicles. Those drivers were fired and a new more strict ban now forbids T (T is the local name for the Boston subway) employees from carrying their cell phones on the trains/buses with them at all. The T has already added a hot line for family members to reach T employees during emergencies, and they will install another 42 phone lines in accessible areas by the end of July for employees to use in between shifts.

The president of the T's Union argued that many employees often have lengthy breaks and end their routes far away from where they parked their personal vehicles. He said the ban denies drivers "reasonable access to their families." The drivers of course feel that they are being treated "unfairly".

So, what say you POE? Is it "unfair" to put public safety before the drivers personal need to "chat" and "text" when bored?

 

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Krissy
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quotePosted at 15:47 on 1st July 2009

I think they should not chat or text while working but taking the phones away from them is not a good idea! What if those "hotline" are not working? What if something happens to a train or a passenger and the only way of communicating is with a cell phone? Don't want to be in the position of saying in hindsight "Oh, if I only had my cell phone, this tradgey could have been avoided!"

I think the general public needs to realize that chatting or texting while driving is SUCH A BAD IDEA! I admit I've done it in the past but after hearing horror stories, I will not do it again. I only takes minutes to pull over in parking lot and use the phone then.

 

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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 16:09 on 1st July 2009

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you on this one Krissy.  First of all, virtually every passenger on any train or bus has a cell phone. If there is a real emergency that requires an outside phone call, some one can make the call (remember that the drivers have the ability, via dashboard equipment ((what ever those things are called, lol!)) to call a central control booth for help in an emergency).

Just as we saw with those three drivers who had to be disciplined after the ban on using cell phones while on duty went into effect, there is always going to be those drivers who feel they are exempt from following the rules. If the phones are in the cabin and they are bored or a friend/husband/wife/gf/bf calls to chat, they're going to disobey the rules. It is those few who make the rules necessary.

In the recent past we have had several train/trolley crashes directly due to the use of cell phones (for non-emergency personal calls) by the drivers. In one of the worst wreaks just last year the driver was killed and several passengers seriously injured when one train plowed into the back of another because the driver was busy chatting away and didn't notice the signal to stop. Fortunately it was the errant driver who was killed and not the passengers.

The question is, when the next train crash occurs due to driver negligence while talking/texting on their cell phone, do I want it to be me or someone I love on that train? How important will the driver's rights to chat seem when it's someone I love who doesn't come home one night?

Furthermore, for decades before the advent of personal cell phones people managed just fine. I think when it comes to public safety we can not be too careful.

Just my humble opinion! Laughing

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Krissy
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quotePosted at 16:13 on 1st July 2009

I totally see what you are saying!!! As I was reading this I was thinking, how did we manage before cell phones....and as you said, we did it just fine!!

 

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Barbara Shoemaker
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quotePosted at 16:21 on 1st July 2009

I have to agree with you on this one, Diana.  It's sad that "adults" cannot behave responsibly and discipline themselves when it comes to use of their cell phones.  But, since many of them obviously can't do that, then restrictions will have to be placed on them for their own safety as well as that of their passengers.  As you said, we managed somehow before cell phones came along.  I'm appalled at other drivers (in cars) not only talking or texting on their phones, but putting on makeup, eating and even reading a book or newspaper while driving.  Anything that takes your eyes off the road for even a second can lead to an accident.  I  have even been almost run over by pedestrians who can't tear their eyes away from their cell phone or Blackberry long enough to cross the street or walk down the block.  Virginia has a new law effective today making cell phone usage, particularly texting or reading messages, a secondary offense, meaning you have to be pulled over for something else before they can cite you for that.  Personally, I think it should be a primary offense.  What if you keep your car in perfect working order and drive impeccably in every other way but then cause an accident because you happened to look at your cell phone?

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Peter Evans
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quotePosted at 16:32 on 1st July 2009
It is illegal to use a cell phone while driving in the UK. There are more accidents caused through the use of them than drink or anything else. The police are now begining to step up the attention to cell phone use. I think that it is a good idea to put a stop to thier use while driving. The times I have nearly had an accident with some idiot who was talking on a phone,and not paying attention to the road, is rediculous.
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Ron Brind
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quotePosted at 17:15 on 1st July 2009
I say ban cell phones whilst working/driving period! If you're caught using one in any work circumstances, I reckon you should get exactly what you deserve, a night in the slammer, or a hefty fine. Do it again and then you lose your job as well as your vehicle.
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Lynda Benjamin
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quotePosted at 17:19 on 1st July 2009
Its illegal to use cell phones while driving in SA unless answering by earpiece. This however does not stop anyone texting - wonder how one does that and concentrate on the road too.! There are always going to be irresponsible people causing accidents of this type. Maybe one should look at penalty marks against their drivers license.
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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 17:27 on 1st July 2009
On 1st July 2009 17:19, Lynda Benjamin wrote:
Its illegal to use cell phones while driving in SA unless answering by earpiece. 
In Massachusetts they are considering making it illegal to use your cell phone while driving even with an earpiece. They make a good argument for it when they say that it is the conversation itself which is often distracting.
 This however does not stop anyone texting - wonder how one does that and concentrate on the road too.!
They can't concentrate on the road too Lynda, that's just the point! 
 There are always going to be irresponsible people causing accidents of this type. Maybe one should look at penalty marks against their drivers license.
What a great idea! I think there should be marks on your drivers license and after so many marks your license should be suspended.

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lancashirelove
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quotePosted at 17:49 on 1st July 2009
As peter said, in the UK it is against the law to use 'mobile phones' (cell phones) whilst in charge of a moving vehicle. and so it should be, but you still get idiots doing it. I once watched a documentry on Tv, a young women left home for work and stopped in standing traffic on a motorway, a lorry hit her car at full speed from behind reducing it to nothing but a metal sandwhich with her body has the filling. The  lorry driver escaped without a scratch but his mobile phone records showed that he was using it at the time of the incident. He finaly admitted that he was and had not noticed that the car ahead was stationary. Thankfully this 'killer' got 5 years jail and I think any simular incident should get a simular sentance. There is absolutly no excuse for using a mobile whilst driving unless its totaly hands free, even then its still a distraction.
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