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Jason T
Jason T
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quotePosted at 15:36 on 5th November 2009

Right ....

We get issued with notice of intent to procecute forms when we trip speed cameras on 999's, sometimes! just depends how they're feeling i think.

This gets sent to our HQ, then its sent to our station, then has to go through my manager, then to me, to be filled in, then back to manager to HQ back to police ..... as you can see a LOT of paperwork, formfilling and admin costs!!! a complete waste of taxpayers money, non money generating, all it does is waste money, from services we keep hearing are continually been cut due to lack of money!!

The authorities involved are well aware its a 999 we are responding to, the camera picks it up, and all jobs are logged with control.

So do i make a stand?  I kind of already have, but have now signed the documents involved, but next time i may not!  i've been threatened that if i don't i will have points on my license and a fine!!!  but how ???  no offence has been committed?  we have an exemption!! no law broken! so really if it goes to court what can they do me for?

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Krissy
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quotePosted at 15:42 on 5th November 2009

Yes make a stand!! How will anything change if you don't!! Have your say and let the chips fall where they may!!! And maybe in making a stand will you allow the powers that be see something that they are missing....like....it's CRAZY for anyone in emergency services to be ticketed while on their way to a job!!! UNLESS...it is in an area that they speed should be taken into consideration!!

Do it Jason! Nothing will ever change if people don't fight for their rights! 

 

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Jason T
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quotePosted at 15:44 on 5th November 2009

The fire service also have to do this, even though they are having to sell off equipment due to lack of money!!

The police have a similar problem, but only have to log with their control when they trip a camera, and the admin is left to their admin dept, so i'm told.

What seems to be happening now, is crews are taking their time getting to jobs, to prevent the fear of fines etc.... hence, the patient waits longer for a motor!! i don't do this yet, i have a concience, but it'll come to it sooner or later!

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Krissy
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quotePosted at 15:47 on 5th November 2009

Isn't there a thing called "the Golden Hour". It was when i was in EMS. You have one hour for your patient to get the best care, for the best recovery. Anything after that the chances for the patient are drastically reduced??

If so, then WHY on earth would this be an issue??? You are all professional drivers, are you not? So saftey should not be such a concern!!!

What ever happened to patient rights and welfare!!!

Blow those lights Jason!!!

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Jason T
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quotePosted at 15:56 on 5th November 2009

Yeah the golden hour, theres also platinum 10 mins, its really for critically ill patients, but we VERY rarely know what we are going to until we get there!  could be a cut finger, could be a cardiac arrest!!

And yes we are professional drivers, we've all done long driving courses.

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Krissy
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quotePosted at 15:59 on 5th November 2009

So what are the chances of a cardiac patient surviving (or having a full recovery) if you are expected to do the speed limit thus cutting your ETA to the hospital by say 10 mins?

 

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Jason T
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quotePosted at 16:10 on 5th November 2009
VERY low, but saying that, its very low anyway! but they will argue, we ARE allowed to trip the cameras, we just have to fill all the paperwork in when we get the ticket through! my argument is .... its a complete waste of time, and money! huge amounts of taxpayers money!
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Krissy
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quotePosted at 16:11 on 5th November 2009
Therefore...it should not be an issue.
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Ron Brind
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quotePosted at 16:12 on 5th November 2009
Jason, we could organize a petition through this website forum for onward transmission to the Government. Trouble is, how many would sign whilst not requiring your services? A concerted, continual 'chivy up' would see a petiton survive, gain momentum for you guys upon who most of us depend in times of emergency and for whom we are very grateful. Anna and I support your cause, so two signatures already! Over to you...
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Peter Evans
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quotePosted at 22:37 on 5th November 2009
Same here Ron. Jason will get my signature too. In the last ten years,I have been rushed to hospital under blues and two's nine times. If it wasnt for the expert driving and medical knowledge of our paramedics I wouldnt be here to sign a petition.
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