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Rob Faleer Posts: 703 Joined: 10th Jun 2005 Location: USA | quotePosted at 21:40 on 16th September 2009 On 16th September 2009 04:17, Ruth Gregory wrote:
Thanks Ruth . . . and thanks also to Richard! |
lancashirelove Posts: 1986 Joined: 18th Feb 2009 Location: UK | quotePosted at 22:43 on 16th September 2009 at the risk of going off-thread (sorry) yes ruth, Priest holes were quite widesread, the best known builder of these was a John Little. Shakespear spent his teenage life at Hoghton tower in Lancashire in service under the name of Shakshaft (his fathers name) The de Hoghtons are intermarried with my ancestors and were catholics and it is thought Shakspear was 'in training' into the church whilst at Hoghton. These people were Royalists and decendants of Norman Barons who came over with William the Conqueror, their fine houses probly all had priest holes. Ruth i shall send you some intresting reading of these priest holes, including some that my ancestors hid in. |
lancashirelove Posts: 1986 Joined: 18th Feb 2009 Location: UK | quotePosted at 10:01 on 17th September 2009 (re Priest holes from the story of Priest John Gerrard) But extreme danger was always present. Gerard had a narrow escape in October of 1591, while attending a meeting of Jesuit priests at Baddesley Clinton, owned by Anne Vaux and Eleanor Brooksby. It was raided by pursuivants at five o'clock in the morning, Anne Vaux and the alert servants buying time to enable the priests to hide. He evaded capture by standing in ankle-deep water in a sewer converted to a hiding-place for over four hours along with Father Henry Garnet, Father Robert Southwell, Father Edward Oldcorne and six others. |
Posts: Joined: 1st Jan 1970 | Micehal, were they masonic templars at any time that you know of....you have some interesting information here...Vaux over here is Vause...which deal with our family, and they lived or one of the first there, into Gerrard County, Ky...Vause was an brother in-law. This is part of th eFrench connection as I call it, over here, Paul Reveer, the one had the ride the night of the Bristish landing in New England, he was also French, but me thinks that they were maybe secret masonic members also...tradesmen. I have indeed likewise traced one of them back to William the Conquor, in that of the Balloi family...may later be part of George Washington's "Ball" family connections. It's been "hinted" tiem an again that Francis Bacon's Rebellion, involved perhaps that he was really the writer of Shakespear's fame, and it also been hinted that when the templars came over here that they brought with the the templar knights "riches" from Jerusalem....by way Rosylin Chapel perhaps. Maybe our Diana Sinclair has it somewhere and doesnt' even know it...she's probably laugh at that statement. At one time they tore up and section of the Bruton Parish Church, claiming an hidden buried fortune, but so many people got in the way, they decided not to persue it any further. But there is more to this then "gold' you know, its the innitation with God/spirit directby the time an person left the last intiation right at Rosylin Chapel. Could that be an sort of spiritual "psychic" revelation?...one of the truths in the world and universally...perhaps. This factor was one reason the "pope" was out to do away with the templar knights...on what would become unlucky "Friday the 13th". I do not know if the "Little" name..is equal to Sylvia and Harry Lytell, but she was an older person in the family lineage that wanted me to do and keep the family history, Eldon Austin over rode her desires, and last I heard from her she was crying on the phone to me that he and Jerry Austin had declared her incompetent of takign care of her affairs, and put her in an nursing home, and they planned on helping themselves to everything they owned. When I called the nursing home, they said seh'd been moved to one in Silverton, when I tried to trace that one down, no one had in any of them ever heard of her. I never heard from her after that. When I went to the family reunion, I asked where seh was "at" and was told she was in an ursing howm in Silverton, but they said, none of them they had no patient by that name. I had wrtitten to Sylvia and Harry for years on end before all this got going, and I have not been to their reunion since. I assume what she said was correct, they under handling stole everything of her family posessions.Austin's own an bookeeping business in MIlwaukee, Oregon last I heard, I doubt Eldon is still alive, he lived outside Mollalla...the year I was President of th erreunion, my hubby and I paid for everything, plus we left enough money for the incominf officers the next year, the next year none one knew that was an officer of any of the gifts I had sent to be used in the gathering. We (or I did anyway) gave token gifts to the oldest memeber there, the one travelled the furtherst, the youngest, so forth. I was told hardly no young people showed up to them because they couldn't drink and make it an drunken affair/hoopaloo...but the year I was it's President, I didn't send out glorious letters of hwo wealthy I was like they do, I simply sent out hand made Christmas Cards with calendars on them giving everyone an belssing for the next year and had the next date of the reunion circled on them. They did not like me, as I refused to "fight" the LDS church and make them take an section of their parking lot away from them for an private street, to the landlocked cemetary in the back, the church welcomed us to park in the lot anytime we wanted to do so, that was good enough for me. I have decided that the reason we had the "Spring Break" quake is because there is an element of pure money greed in the area, God forbid they should ever get their hands on anything "holy"...until they straighten up their ways in life. It will be an sad time in heaven with their leadership. Southwell family married Sir John Lawson's daughter, whom was at the time "Admiral of his majesties' Navy". His picture hangs in the convention center at Colnial Williamsburg, and Bruton Parish Church looks to maybe contain Lawosn memeber in it. I found one and was able to provide sufficent proven of whom he was...and Reverand in New England, prior tothe "witch trials" there. He went back to find out what had happen to his old congregation, I always felt those young girls most likely saw Rev. William Rogers having an epilsey seizure...others have also said different things, like an mold in thier flour that causes hallucinations. But the Rev. Wm. Rogers went to New Jersey and later was an army chaplin listed in Georgwa Washington's troops at one time. The Rogers are an maternal side of the Lawson that most likely married to close an cousin line. Giles Rogers was burnt at the stake in England for being an witch, purportedly because he said he was off the "crown" of rulers in England (Planegent family) The ugliness starts though a bit later on, that goes all the way back to England, it was so hideous. But it was basically one family side trying to take over the other, by remarriage. It involves some very wealthy people in it's day. The crimes were so numerous that I thought England had an rather novel way of handling it, they simply said he didn't exist, and therefore nothing he made as "law" existed either. Not only did his guy pick on the Rogers, but the Lawson's and I think the Edward Larkin of Rhode Island...whom looks to been originally the Rev. Edward Marston/Martin...out of Williamsburg, Va...and perhaps "Marston Parish" church....from which Bruton Parish was rebuilt from. Another reason I could tell whom the initals stood for in the cemetary there. My REv. Doedate Lawson's father was an Thomas. educated at Endinburg, I think, I'd have to look that one up again as I have it here somewhere. You know I didn't have an computer back in those days, They were just coming out then, I had to go there in person to find it all out, bit by bit. History has always fascinated me...and "yes" it was my great aunt, the Grand Worty Matron of the Pasadena, California Eastern star, the ladies division, of the Masonic Lodge that got me started. Her brother down there was an "shriner"...he's the first one I know of in the family had the heart problems..my grandfather it by passed him, but he took care of the first incidnet and it never repeated. We know that the "roots" of the family are surrounded and include way back, Masonic Lodge members. We have an strong Irish-Scotch leaning also...besides the English ones. You know, the people the English Crown often married were princes and princesses of foreign lands. We are kin to the Purcell family also...I have one wiht William the Conqueror whom is giving his birth palce as Jerusalem...no doubt and "templar"...they include the George Washington family...I must say something about these "Masons' they give up thier wealth and livlihood many times for God's "truth"..at least in this world of ours , so that it can prevail. Asfar as I'm concerned reading about the Garrad family in Kentucky at the hands of the Native Americans it was prevelant there also. He gave his life so that others could follow him there.
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lancashirelove Posts: 1986 Joined: 18th Feb 2009 Location: UK | quotePosted at 09:28 on 18th September 2009 Interesting Shirl. Many so-called French settlers could realy be English as when William the Conqueror invaded England in 1066 he and his allies (Noblemen who raised armies for the invasion, who were rewarded with land in Briton), were from normandy in Northern France which, depending on which side of the fence you sit, was 'England' as at times England and France shared the same king/Queen. The Noblemen of England spoke french also and if they were catholic the spoke and wrote Latin. The Knights Templar certainly got as far north as Scotland. Even the Irish noblemen were decendants of the Noble English and therefore the French and Germans, all probly originating from Italy and the Roman Empire |
Shirley K. Lawson Posts: 2310 Joined: 17th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 18:47 on 18th September 2009 You correct on that one, when I first researching I was running into people whom were lineage of Juluis Ceasar, and I thought, well, I know we all like famous relatives but this is an bit much...the more I got into it, the more I realized it was most likley true...they came over here with the names of "Royale" and shortened it to "Roye/Roy" eventually. Just as the Planegent people in some cases became "Pleasant" family. My grandfather's name was Oren Roy White. Rev. Benjamin Lakins wife was an Elizabeth Roye, Mason Co. Ky...and he handed his Methodist curcuit to the Rev. Jeremiah Lawson. son of what the family has termed as "William Lawson the Rebel" because he fought at the battle of Montrose, Scotland...the property belonged to the Purcells then. John White was the husband of Elizabeth White, they were both missionaries, and he was the main churh elder over all Pennsylvania at one time, his church in Philadephia is historical now, and was then an Episcopal Church. It is noted for the being the place the Methodist Cuirt-riders were ordained, th eplace where Geroge Washington planned the REv War with hsi colleges from in its pews, and for the first bible Sunday School in America, and th efirst Missioanries to foering countries in America. Elizabeth White maiden name was Stevens. My great grandfather's name was Steven Lesley White. The Lesley come from originally the Leister family. I think they are indeed Mason's also. They also married into the Handley or Hailey family later on also..that are connected to the Gerrard Ky. people...kinship to the Fort Vause.Of them is an sister married into the Walker family. Some of this is the George Bush lineage also. Dr. Thomas Walker was getting into trouble back then for helping to give lucritive political seats to good freinds, and was eventually asked to stop it...several fo them ousted in the process. He fomed the Loyal Land Company and was amoung the first into the southern states of the Cherokee regions...and of course West Virginia. The Handleys in West Virginia married supposedly Mary Harrison, whom says she's kin ot the Benjamin Harrison family of "Berkely"..one of th esigners of our Constituion..and this part of the family may be kin, as my mother's Jeremiah Larkins m. as his second wife Keturah Hailey..But we have an long time dealing with the Harrison family also. I'll have to go get Dan Brown's latest novle, bu tanother really good book on them is called "Rosslyn"..Guardian of the Secrest of the Holy GRail, by Tim Wallace-Murphy & Marylin Hopkins. My copy is an Barnes and Noble book reprint, but the authors have done several books about the templars. They apparently received help from one Trevor Ravenscroft also. Since my expertise is in people's travels as well as their history, I'm into books on where they went and how they got there.From that alone I can pretty well tell rather someone has given and truth to their legacy...or if they are manipulating their legacy. John White had an brothe rnamed William White...he was an school teacher of several U. S. President's, he lived on the famous "Wagon Road" that ran through Virgniia.It is said that he was so depressed that his sons decided to join the civli war here, on opposite sides. I think the song "one wore blue, one worn Gray" was perhaps an reflection of them. It' said he moved north and remained silent for the most part, I kind of picke dup what I think is him in Iowa, where they converted and asylum hopsital into an school there-after. I beleive one or the other is my dad's lineage. Being my dad's mother was an "Rankin" they are both related to the church of forming the first bible Sunday School, and also as in-laws to the Rebel's, Williima Lawson lineage also. Then they do somethng strange in ways, I think perhap sin connection wiht George Rogers Clark, they go south ito New Orleans, and change thier name to "French" spellings of it. It cold be from Layfette's incovement in the Revolutionary . War....though there was an strong French movement in it anyway. That in part comes from Washingotn having the kind of "Balloi" whom hailed with William the Conqueorr from Normany...later they became the "Ball" family. It was either the Public Broadcasting station or th eLeanring Channel, o rth eHIsotry channel that di an "Lost Tribes of Isreal" documentary long time ago. According to it, it says that bibically there's an place in FRnace, on the norhtern coast, where there are some trademen in forging metals, that will play an part in making the weapons for the Battle of Armegeddon.., they will be from gold also. According to this documentary, things are in place now. This is one of the "Lost tribes" involved. They will all come back together in the last days. Perhaps time to "tread lightly" as to future concerns. |
Shirley K. Lawson Posts: 2310 Joined: 17th Jul 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 18:56 on 18th September 2009 I am sorry for this posting, none of it was mispelled in correctly when I typed it, my intruder is here, and it can only be for one thing, to assume my identity for themselves if there's anything good to be had from it all. They tend to leave me with their own illteracy factor. |
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