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lancashirelove
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quotePosted at 09:40 on 11th May 2009
Why following an accident/incident do they now close roads, sometimes for hours an a time. I can understand if theres a safety issue but sometimes they do it for the smallest reason. Once of a day, following an incident the police priority was to keep traffic moving safely around the site, now they automaticly stop everything in site, for long periods. motorways are a typical example, quite often following a minor shunt the 3rd lane is unobstructed and could be used by controlled flow. I know the emergency services have a job to do and in safe conditions, but a bit of common sence should come into play. (By the motorists also, I may add.)
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Lyn Brant
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quotePosted at 11:03 on 11th May 2009

I agree this is really ludicrous and a total waste of time and money, it happens to all of the emergency services including the police, who like Michael says have no control over these matters, it is down to the Highway Agency. I can’t speak for any of the other services but all the police usually have to do once the ticket has been received is write a short statement to the Highway Agency explaining where they was going and why they broke the speed limit and that’s the end of the matter until the next time.

Regarding closing the road after an accident, I think this varies from force to force, I know in Norfolk they do still try and keep the traffic moving when ever possible, the road is only usually closed if the accident was fatal and in that case it will remain closed until Scene of Crime officers have done what they need to.

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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 13:50 on 11th May 2009

Jason, that is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard of!  Isn't that what driving an emergency vehicle is all about? You have lives to save and every minute you are delayed could make the difference in whether or not someone lives.

The only money I would be concerned about are the pounds being wasted to pay for the paper work to process a speeding ticket against an emergency vehicle.Yell

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Jason T
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quotePosted at 17:16 on 11th May 2009

We won't get procecuted for it, but its the complete waste of tax payers money, and the fact we have to fill in even more paperwork, for something thats obviously going nowhere! Just seems crazy!! and i know for a fact its slowing crews response times down. Like Ron says it will only change when we have to respond to a family member in cardiac arrest and its a non starter because of the time delay! trouble is i have a conscious so i still trip them at whatever speed i feel is safe at the time, at the end of the day its usually me in the back with the patient so if i go slow to the job and the patient's condition has worsened due to this, its me that suffers, as well as the patient of course!, because i have more work to do!!

The road closing thing is a police decision usually. Well they're always responsible for it, but we sometimes request it, especially if helimed are landing. As far as shutting them for ages, to be honest I usually find the police are chomping at the bit to reopen the carriageways, and unless they need to investigate how the incident happened, or there is any hazardous material on the road, or we ask them to hold fire until we are out the way, they will usually open it!   one thing i will say is, cars don't slow down AT ALL whilst on scene on a road, they speed past and seem to have no concept of their speed or distance from us, so i think maybe they close the road for more incidents now just because of the danger this causes.

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Krissy
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quotePosted at 17:21 on 11th May 2009

What will happen if you continue to get tickets for speeding...even though I know you won't be procecuted for them, will the powers that be at the NHS slap your wrist if it happens too many times?  

I say screw it...speed!!!!!  If it was me or my girls I would want any emergency to go as fast as possible!!!

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Diana Sinclair
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quotePosted at 17:28 on 11th May 2009
Jason, here in the states they just passed a new law dubbed the "slow down/move over law".  The law asks drivers approaching emergency situations to move over leaving the lane closest to the incident free, if possible, and if you can't move over you must slow down to a reasonable rate of speed.

They are hoping it will eliminate some of the injuries and fatalities among police officers, other emergency personnel, highway workers, and tow truck drivers, whose work takes them to the side of the road.

State Police say there is no specified speed limit in the law. But violators face a fine of up to $100.

Edited by: Diana Sinclair at:11th May 2009 17:28
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Paul Hilton
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quotePosted at 19:39 on 11th May 2009

We have a sort of catch all offence here Diana for any of countless driving offences not otherwise specified----Driving without Due Care and Attention.

Never realised the Hghways Agency was responsible for speed enforcement; I thought that was the local constabulary's responsibility, though the Highways Agency does make up part of the co-called Safety Camera Partnerships around the country.

Nor was I aware they're responsible for nearly all roads. I though it was trunk roads and motorways the Highways Agency was responsible for and the rest the resonsibility of the local council to look after in various ways.

I guess under Labour, these camera partnerships and various speed enforcement cameras seemed to have flourished with Labour's conerstone of accident prevention being excess speed---easy to get a conviction and very scant chance of any defense.



Edited by: Paul Hilton at:11th May 2009 19:41
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Jason T
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quotePosted at 21:02 on 11th May 2009
I must admit, i was always led to believe it was the police responsible for sending us the tickets. But looks like i'm wrong?
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Jason T
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quotePosted at 21:03 on 11th May 2009
in fact i'm pretty sure it comes from the police??
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Shirley K. Lawson
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quotePosted at 21:23 on 11th May 2009

Yes Jason, I have, I been called to have it reported to me to get to work due to an possible boiler blowing up and raced there and got an ticket..I've also been broadsided by an drunk going 70 mph at the corner of the nursing home also. They total my car out then, and we had to get another one, I knew the judge on the ticket then, (we have an law over here that anyone making an left hand turn is to give the right of way) he was my neighbor I grew up with in town here, I told him to keep the money and get us an traffic light on this corner, we had been losing staff memebers hit by cars on the corner also waiting for the bus..he did. This town is so dense it takes them three times longer before any one else to figure out the score and really help most the time...and only then its if you pay for it even then. this is the number one reason why oustiders have walked away, they come in here, all enthusiastic and been "worked to death" and ignored for the things they wanted and needed...they get tired of it an leave. Right now they like to put speed limits in the country at 30 mph where its all pasture land...or they have this stop light and a little hill not far from here, so they put the speed trap bit on the down of the hill, just past the light enough your more apt to go a little faster not to run into an yellow light. Yet, I watched 9 cars, counted them with moving violations that were more then just an yellow light turning on them, three of the cars were going through red lights. Out and out red lights. I was reading today that one of the places I go to in town considers their "merchants" but only in an narrow couple of blocks area...this town has about 100,000 poeple in it.  When they do come up with some pretty good ideas, they leave the kids out. Or the old folks, , they have these constant little "groups" but nothing for everyone at once. I can not think of when was the last time an emergency veichle got ticketed with their lights on, though my son got an over load-ticket on his truck and got an couple hundred ollars fine going through Goldendale, Washington, and while they reduced it, they reduced his job hours also, The company. He ended up having to quit for lack of hours to support his family on. First and only one I knew of he got also. But perhaps they were afraid that once he got one, they'd be pullin gover coanstantly there after. But you know, everyone over here is in the mood, "your easily replaced now, I can make you into my personal servant at your expense" these days and they do...sad to say. Over load tickets should be paid by the person loading the truck, not the trucker, his life is in danger hauling to large an load..but many are loaded up with "set" goods before they even hook up and drive off. Is it about due by any chance for you to receive any kind of higher pay or bonsus or benefit?

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