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Cathy E. Posts: 8474 Joined: 15th Aug 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 05:07 on 13th September 2008 Sorry need to clarify that, forgot to put the quote in. I like your thought process on this. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned! |
Alan Marron Posts: 726 Joined: 14th Jul 2008 Location: UK | quotePosted at 07:41 on 13th September 2008 A hymn writer, I think it may have been Isaac Watts, wrote: 'Prayer is the souls sincere desire, Uttered or unexpressed...' |
John Ravenscroft Posts: 321 Joined: 21st Sep 2007 Location: UK | quotePosted at 09:48 on 13th September 2008 Well, as the resident atheist, I feel obliged to drop a few anti-prayer thoughts into the mix.  "If you pray for rain long enough, it eventually does fall. If you pray for floodwaters to abate, they eventually do. The same happens in the absence of prayers." Steve Allen "Prayer is of no avail. The lightning falls on the just and the unjust in accordance with natural laws." Robert Ingersoll "Nothing fails like prayer." Anne Gaylor I'm sure prayer can have beneficial psychological effects on the person who is praying. Other forms of meditation can do the same kind of thing. But as I don't believe there's a God listening to your every word, and waiting to do whatever it is you want him to do, I find I have to agree with Anne Gaylor. |
Posts: Joined: 1st Jan 1970 | " I believe above the storm the smallest prayer can still be heard, I believe that Someone in the great Somewhere hears every word...." I find I have to agree with the Bachelors.
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| John Ravenscroft Posts: 321 Joined: 21st Sep 2007 Location: UK | quotePosted at 14:26 on 13th September 2008 |
Posts: Joined: 1st Jan 1970 | Why, thank you for that, John! A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. ~C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain PLEASE John, no youtube link to five minutes of 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Mr Dawkins! I've seen it and remain underwhelmed! I I find I have to agree with C.S Lewis. |
| Cathy E. Posts: 8474 Joined: 15th Aug 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:19 on 13th September 2008 I feel sad for you John that you cannot feel the love of a Heavenly Father who created you in his image. I can just imagine his tears as he thinks of you! Not trying to be righteous, Just have such a strong faith in him that I can sometimes get a glimpse of his sadness. I prayed about all of this and have gotten back a feeling that cannot ever be denied even if I wanted to! |
| John Ravenscroft Posts: 321 Joined: 21st Sep 2007 Location: UK | quotePosted at 16:32 on 13th September 2008 No need to feel sad for me, Catherine. I'm doing OK, and generally I'm happy. . I have a decent, comfortable life. I have a wife, friends, work that (most of the time) interests me, a dog who thnks I'm the bee's knees... I don't need the love of a God I can't believe in - although I appreciate the fact that many people find such a belief essential. Sue, I'll always be grateful to C.S.Lewis for Aslan etc. - but his theology was a mess. |
| Cathy E. Posts: 8474 Joined: 15th Aug 2008 Location: USA | quotePosted at 16:41 on 13th September 2008 I'm doing OK, and generally I'm happy. . I have a decent, comfortable life. I have a wife, friends, work that (most of the time) interests me, a dog who thnks I'm the bee's knees...
Those things are all very important too. Happy that you have them in your life! |
| John Ravenscroft Posts: 321 Joined: 21st Sep 2007 Location: UK | quotePosted at 18:22 on 13th September 2008 Me too, Catherine. You look like a girl I knew when I was a student - and also like a colleague I used to work with. She taught Religious Education! |
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