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Susan Wood

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Posted at 14:53 on 26th August 2008

You been watching TV too? Makes them very visible to predators too. Conclusion (of programme) survival of species more important than survival of individual. Short but pretty life. Seems a bit unfair to me, prefer a long and happy life.

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Posted at 14:57 on 26th August 2008

On 26th August 2008 14:00, John Ravenscroft wrote:

On 26th August 2008 13:28, Lyn Greenaway wrote:
I just have to put my twopennyw'th in here although I said I won't be adding to this thread, but I have to agree with what Andy, John and Wolf are saying.

But Lyn - Andy and I are saying one thing... Wolf is saying another!
And please, do add to the thread. Your input is more than welcome.

Yes I know, I agree with what you 2 are saying and I also agree with what wolf said... 'clinically disect romance or loving feelings and study the effects in a test tube , does not do it for me'. Or am I losing the plot here? anyhow thats it from me in this thread.

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editPosted at 14:59 on 26th August 2008

On 26th August 2008 14:49, John Ravenscroft wrote:

Hi. Susan.
We are lucky enough to have a pair of peacocks in our garden.
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God' creations are pretty spectacular, and the male peacock in full display is one of them. Evolution my eye!!

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John Ravenscroft

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Posted at 15:09 on 26th August 2008

On 26th August 2008 14:59, Sue Gaffney-Ryder wrote:

On 26th August 2008 14:49, John Ravenscroft wrote:

Hi. Susan.
We are lucky enough to have a pair of peacocks in our garden

God' creations are pretty spectacular, and the male peacock in full display is one of them. Evolution my eye!!

Sexual selection, Sue.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_09.html

(Watch the video.)

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editPosted at 15:48 on 26th August 2008

I was referring to his beautiful feathers, John. No video, book or scientific jargon will make the slightest difference to my beliefs. It goes a lot deeper than that.

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John Ravenscroft

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Posted at 15:59 on 26th August 2008

On 26th August 2008 15:48, Sue Gaffney-Ryder wrote:

I was referring to his beautiful feathers, John. No video, book or scientific jargon will make the slightest difference to my beliefs. It goes a lot deeper than that.

I know you were referring to the peacock's beautiful feathers, Sue.

The link I gave you starts with the following question:

Why does the peacock have such a beautiful tail?

The video answers that question.

No video, book or scientific jargon will make the slightest difference to my beliefs. It goes a lot deeper than that.

What about evidence? Will no evidence make the slightest difference to your beliefs? If not - why not?

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John Ravenscroft

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Posted at 16:15 on 26th August 2008

On 26th August 2008 14:47, Diana Sinclair wrote:

On 26th August 2008 14:43, John Ravenscroft wrote:
If it's TRUE that we can explain why we feel the things we feel in terms of natural, physical, real-world processes - isn't that wonderful? Doesn't it open whole worlds of understanding?

No, I don't think it's wonderful. If it's true that God is love then I expect it to have a spiritual component and I expect it to be a mysterious as He is. But to each their own, and if such thoughts bring you peace and comfort then by all means exercise your choice of free will to believe it.

Seems to me the root of our different views lies right here, Diana.

I think it's wonderful that we are finally at a point where scientific knowledge is on the verge of explaining how human beings came to be what they are.

You think it's wonderful that human nature (filtered via your notion of God) remains a mystery.

Is that a fair summary?

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John Ravenscroft

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Posted at 18:17 on 26th August 2008

On 26th August 2008 14:57, Lyn Greenaway wrote:

On 26th August 2008 14:00, John Ravenscroft wrote:
On 26th August 2008 13:28, Lyn Greenaway wrote:
I just have to put my twopennyw'th in here although I said I won't be adding to this thread, but I have to agree with what Andy, John and Wolf are saying.

But Lyn - Andy and I are saying one thing... Wolf is saying another!
And please, do add to the thread. Your input is more than welcome.

Yes I know, I agree with what you 2 are saying and I also agree with what wolf said... 'clinically disect romance or loving feelings and study the effects in a test tube , does not do it for me'. Or am I losing the plot here? anyhow thats it from me in this thread.

Lyn, Wolf is saying: to clinically disect romance or loving feelings and study the effects in a test tube , does not do it for me.

I'm saying the opposite. The scientific study of such experiences does do it for me.

I want to know why we feel the things we feel - love, hate, anger, joy, sadness etc.

I don't think religion can provide the answers.

I think science can.

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poe

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Posted at 18:26 on 26th August 2008

On 24th August 2008 11:23, John Ravenscroft wrote:

OK, which one of you lot has been telling God about me?
I was up a ladder yesterday varnishing my log cabin, and he sent one of his minions to yank it out from under my feet. Broke my right wrist in three places.

Sorry to hear about your arm John. Here's to a speedy recovery.

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