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Wolf
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Posted at 05:46 on 26th August 2008

Is there a scientific explanation for LOVE ????

I don't think so.

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Alan Marron
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Posted at 06:07 on 26th August 2008

Science doesn't provide half as amny answers as some scientists claim.  Faith doesn't necessarily provide those answers either, in a lot of cases, but that's the road we choose to walk along in search of answers, whether we ultimately find them or not.

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Shirley K. Lawson
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Posted at 06:45 on 26th August 2008
On 26th August 2008 05:10, Ruth Gregory wrote:
On 25th August 2008 09:03, John Ravenscroft wrote:

The logical problems with God's direct intervention in the real world go way back. I've yet to find anyone who has a convincing answer to The Riddle of Epicurus:

http://www.maniacworld.com/why-call-him-god.html

What are your thoughts on that?


Why call who God?  Who's "him?"  LOL!  To whom is Epicurus referring?  Surely he doesn't believe in a creator, or does he?

John, I don't think you'll ever have an answer from any human being that will satisfactorily answer the question of why suffering?  For nonbelievers and believers alike, it's a question we all wrestle with. 

I suppose one of the ways I've tried to work it out is this:  As I said before, I believe that God created this universe to unfold as it will, with natural, physical and biological laws, that even include evolution.  And creation in all its beauty is quite violent.  But if we're simply biological units, why the need for emotion, thought, speculation, music, talent in other areas besides adapting to our habitat and propogating the species?  I believe that the mind and soul do continue to exist after death.  I don't know why, John, I just do.  But sadly, there is no proof.   But suffering is a part of this life on earth, because we live in this physical world.  And you have to admit, that a lot of our suffering is self-inflicted.  It would be nice if God just made us his little puppets in paradise, but he didn't.  It would also be nice if all people embraced the teachings of Jesus, but they don't.  I remember even thinking as a small child, why can't everybody be like Jesus?  As many times as someone asks, "If there is a God, why does he allow suffering," there's another to ask "why and how can so many people find meaning in suffering?"  You mentioned earlier on that passion was a good thing.  That's another word that we've lost the original meaning of.  It's from the Latin word that means "to suffer."  And isn't it the things we're most passionate about that cause us the most suffering sometimes?

I guess the nutshell version of everything I've tried to express in this thread is this:  God is mystery, John.  We can't figure Him out.  We have no "tangible" proof that He exists.  We can only have faith.  Faith is a gift from God, offered to all.  To accept that gift is a choice made through one's free will.  Prayer is how we establish and maintain that connection with our creator and gives us the chance to be continually a work in progress, and that requires an open mind, an open heart and a spirit of humility.

 

 Well, Ruth, wait until your first near-death expereince, and think about things, in my case I've had three real unusual expereinces. The first one was much like the near-death expereinces that are written about, only when I had mine there were no books out there to tell me what it was. Also, I never have heard of anyone else say that coming back, it was real hard to get the mind co-ordinated with the physical action of an thought. I can rember talking to what I perceived as "Jesus" in an white blinding light...he told me that someday I would be with him, but it wasn't my appointed time as yet. On occasion he still comes to me. (BTW..has an wonderful sense of humor)  Like for instance the day I had to take the BBQ skewer out of the back of my boss, whom has slipped and fell in grease on top of it at work.The ambulance driver's remembered me from my past working as the skilled nursing home supervisor, they knew I'd had emergency training..and chose me to help them, ever seen an 50 year old man cry like an baby and begging not to be "touched"...I asked God for help then, and I let this "force" I call creator "energy" flow through my whole body.. through my hand into him. It came "through me" to heal him as they lifted him straight up and I put one hand on his stomach lightly, and pull out the skewer from underneath. I did not think he'd most likely ever walk again and you know, 5 weeks later he came in and "thank me" and all I could say was, I didn't do it..I was just an receiver. That's what I think "God" is...pure energy..with thought..that can manifest at will. I asked the question why do people suffer and I was told that here are lessons to learn through it. for some it's "pay back" time for them, for others its an "understanding"..as I feel by the time we perfect ourselves enough there will never be the need to question the actions of our Lord, we may indeed be as "one" in thought by then, and I was also told that we have free will choices to make in our lives, and how we might be judged someday will depend on those choices. Yet I had once, so far, in my entire life of 60 years an extra-ordinary communication that came of it's own to me. I won't go into this other then I was shown in an instant, as "time stood" still several different faucets for an problem I was trying to decide what to do about, and the ulitmate answer was, don't worry, I'm still here, put it into my hands as I know what is better. What this person needs to understand the lesson..I am, that I am, trust that. Why do people sufffer, sometimes we lay down our lives for others. We are blessed for that. Much of it though is learning lessons in soul growth. I have gotten to understand a bit about the "other side" in ways. Why is "love" the greatest of all things, because it's pure energy and pure energy has "life" in it. It is the only thing that has "life" to it, it is the creator breathing. So aptly seen in Micheangelo's picture of God giving "life" with the touch of his finger to mankind...an soft blowing of his breath. I could perceive no gender in the God I came across, I accept Jesus words that it's his "father who art in heaven" by prayer.  I felt this "energy" actually contained both elements perhaps, but am unsure of even that. Because it is an "energy" it can manifest through others as well as of its own, I think it can manifest as either though. This is the closest I can reveal about my near-death and afterward dealings. I was given "new" understandings then, and since then, I was told that Jesus answers both the polarity of good and bad in all he says in the bible. That there is an element to the world that is much like up/down, yes/no, light/darkness and it takes an "master" teacher to satisfy both elements at the same time, to be in perfect balance. Very few of us decision makers use that kind of logic to our problems. I have many other things I've picked up, but I think this is enough for now. Some of it is extremely hard to tell to other people, there aren't the words in our dictionary yet to fully explain it.



 

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Shirley K. Lawson
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Posted at 06:52 on 26th August 2008
On 26th August 2008 05:46, Wolf wrote:

Is there a scientific explanation for LOVE ????

I don't think so.

  Closest they might come to it, would be the word spelled backwards..Evol "evolve"...an continuation of life. Wasn't it the Egyptians that felt in the after-life that our hearts are weighed for their content matter..something like that?

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Shirley K. Lawson
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Posted at 07:05 on 26th August 2008

In answer to your riddle, "JC" told me that true "evil" doesn't exist any longer, it was over come by "his death" on the cross..and his resurrection. He said that many times what people are calling "evil" these days is merely someone doing something not desired by someone else.  The world has no concept of the word "evil" now. I was always told that Jesus "death" was atonement and the reconcilation of mankind to God...but I've never heard "JC" say it exactly. Perhaps it's fullfilled by beleiveth in Jesus own life and death and resurrection from the grave also?  Maybe someday I'll understand the answer to it all...who knows...possibly..anything is possible.

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Cathy E.
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Posted at 11:22 on 26th August 2008
On 26th August 2008 05:38, Ruth Gregory wrote:

Ain't he the sweetest little thing?  And he's as good as gold.  And getting back to the thread, if dogs don't have souls, I don't know what does?  Love is another of the intangibles, and the Bible teaches that God is love, so how can a dog give such unconditional love if it's just a pile of biological parts?

 

 


Hear Hear! I totally agree. I think my cats have souls. They show that they have as much feeling as me.
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Cathy E.
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Posted at 11:31 on 26th August 2008
Shirley, I love your explanations. Your words really touched me. I met a man once who I had never seen before yet he stood there and told me all about myself. I asked if he had and a near death experience and he said no, that God had given him a gift. He was quite a remarkable man, very giving. I would love to hear more about your experiences.
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Cathy E.
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Posted at 11:31 on 26th August 2008
On 26th August 2008 05:46, Wolf wrote:

Is there a scientific explanation for LOVE ????

I don't think so.


No scientific proof Wold but you are a good example of it! Wink
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Peter Evans
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Posted at 11:40 on 26th August 2008
On 26th August 2008 05:46, Wolf wrote:

Is there a scientific explanation for LOVE ????

I don't think so.


Yup. Its like magnets,opposites attract opposites. And you cant get more opposite than men and women. Once attracted, you are stuck.
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Cathy E.
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Posted at 11:42 on 26th August 2008
LOL at Peter. Smile
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