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Barbara Shoemaker Posts: 1764 Joined: 4th Jan 2008 Location: USA | Posted at 15:22 on 21st August 2008 On 21st August 2008 05:19, Catherine England Schleunes wrote:
Welcome aboard, Catherine! Love your first sentence; this sums it up very well (at least for me). And Diana, thank you so much for your wonderful detailed description of the story of Satan and how he came to have dominion over the earth (albeit only for a time). I think Peter was the first one in this thread to mention the devil (thank you Peter). I wanted to, but y'all beat me to it. Many people are okay with believing in God, but don't want to believe in Satan. But he's a right smooth talker, is Satan. Bottom line, though, is still that people will either choose to believe or not believe. |
Ruth Gregory Posts: 8072 Joined: 25th Jul 2007 Location: USA | Posted at 15:51 on 21st August 2008 On 21st August 2008 14:57, Sue H wrote:
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John Ravenscroft Posts: 321 Joined: 21st Sep 2007 Location: UK | Posted at 16:53 on 21st August 2008 When Satan, in his arrogance, rebelled against God, a war broke out in heaven between Satan, his minions, and Michael the arch angel and his angelic armies. God thus ousted Satan from heaven, forbidding his return. Satan's dominion would be the earth from that point forward; and in fact, scripture calls him the ruler of this world. Diana, do you believe this is literally true? Do you believe there really is a supernatural being called Satan and a host of angels? That we suffer earthquakes etc. because Adam and Eve disobeyed God? That there is 'sin and corruption' on Earth because Satan is in charge of the place? The USA and the UK are very different when it comes to religion - I suppose that's why I find talking to American believers so interesting. None of the English people I know have these beliefs. Catherine, the phrase 'trust without reservations' is lovely - but really it's just a rewording (in far more attractive language) of 'belief without proof'. |
Posts: Joined: 1st Jan 1970 | editPosted at 18:48 on 21st August 2008 On 21st August 2008 16:53, John Ravenscroft wrote:
John, where have you been. This is one of the bedrocks of Christianity and the Church worldwide. Paradise Lost. None of the English people I know have these beliefs. You're just not moving in the right circles, John.! |
Sue H Posts: 8172 Joined: 29th Jun 2007 Location: USA | Posted at 19:17 on 21st August 2008 To me, Satan looks just like us, he is one of us, just hasn't got a physical body yet. He certainly isn't hidden behind a grotesque mask, horns, cloven feet or any other inhuman physical characteristics. |
Barbara Shoemaker Posts: 1764 Joined: 4th Jan 2008 Location: USA | Posted at 19:33 on 21st August 2008 On 21st August 2008 19:17, Sue H wrote:
He hasn't got a physical body yet -- enter Bible prophecy and the Antichrist. |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | Posted at 19:35 on 21st August 2008 On 21st August 2008 16:53, John Ravenscroft wrote: The answer to all of your questions John is yes. I do believe just that. However, the last question is a little off. I don't believe there is sin and corruption on the Earth because Satan is in charge, rather, I believe the Earth is in sin and corruption because mankind chose to become sinful and corrupt.
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John Ravenscroft Posts: 321 Joined: 21st Sep 2007 Location: UK | Posted at 19:44 on 21st August 2008 Thanks for the straightforward answers, folks. Fascinating! Our cultures really are very, very different. My sister's daughter lives in Texas, and my sister visits her a couple of times a year. When she comes home, she's always full of stories of the conversations she's had with Americans. She finds those conversations jaw-dropping, and so do I. I think because we look so alike, share a common language, and have common roots, we often don't appreciate just how different we are. |
Sue H Posts: 8172 Joined: 29th Jun 2007 Location: USA | Posted at 19:45 on 21st August 2008 I believe We were sent to this earth to learn and grow, through good times and bad. We were given free agency to choose between good and evil. If God were to intercede every time something bad was about to happen, where would be the growth? If we lived without pain, weakness, sorrow, disaster etc, what would life on earth be like? I'd say pretty boring and with not much point to it. Besides that, if there were no opposites, good/bad pain/health, happy/sad then we would not even recognise what our existence was. You can't know good if you've never experienced bad. When people commit crimes, the Lord could stop them, but then those people would have been denied their free agency. Also our time here on earth is just a droplet in the ocean compared to eternity. A short span of time to prove ourselves. Oh dear, I don't express myself as eloquently as others here, sorry. |
Diana Sinclair Posts: 10119 Joined: 3rd Apr 2008 Location: USA | Posted at 20:15 on 21st August 2008 Sue, you express your self beautifully! |