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Paul Hilton
Paul Hilton
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quotePosted at 04:40 on 10th September 2008
If It's peaceful, what on earth would a club be being used for in the first place? I would consider the officer in charge of me would need his head testing. 
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Ruth Gregory
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quotePosted at 06:06 on 10th September 2008

You mean with the club, Paul?  lol

 

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Paul Hilton
Paul Hilton
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quotePosted at 08:34 on 10th September 2008
It would be tempting Ruth, but a quiet word first to ask if he recalls what happened 4th May, 1970 at Kent State University and it's subsequent aftermath might suggest an alternative strategy might be better for all concerned to deal with this situation.
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Andy Edwards
Andy Edwards
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quotePosted at 13:33 on 10th September 2008
Club 18-30 would probably break it up.
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Peter Evans
Peter Evans
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quotePosted at 13:51 on 10th September 2008
On 10th September 2008 13:33, Andy Edwards wrote:
Club 18-30 would probably break it up.

Breaks me up too. I'm too old to join. Boo Hooo
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Ray Stear
Ray Stear
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quotePosted at 13:53 on 10th September 2008

hi Ruth, Peter, Paul, and Mary...sorry, Andy,

I have forgotten the question, but you guys go off at such a tangent that it doesn't matter anyway.

Have a good day ya'all

Ray.

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Ray Stear
Ray Stear
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quotePosted at 14:03 on 10th September 2008
On 10th September 2008 03:49, Diana Sinclair wrote:
You are a police officer. If you were ordered to break up a peaceful demonstration using a club, would you obey?


hi Diana,

I am onto the original question now. the answer is; every police officer is a servant of the law firstly and foremostly, this means any officer of whatever rank. Each officer has the responsibility for his own actions and cannot be ordered to do an unlawful act, as breaking up a peaceful demonstration with excessive force would be. The same applies to police who carry guns. No one can order you to use the firearm, it has to be your decision and you are the one called to account if it turns out to be the wrong decision when argued about in court, sometimes years later.

So, the answer is, no, you would not obey if you considered it was an 'unlawful' order. 

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Cathy E.
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quotePosted at 14:52 on 10th September 2008
You go Ray!
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quote | editPosted at 15:14 on 10th September 2008

We had a peaceful Countryside demonstration here a few years ago and some of the police were coshing people left, right and center.

 

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Sue H
Sue H
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quotePosted at 15:20 on 10th September 2008
Sadly there are some in the force who enjoy the power to weild a tommy knocker, it's worse if they carry a gun.
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